So what can in practical terms fully halt illegal immigration?

Poland is as racist as f*ck, sorry to say. Or maybe kinder to refer to it as ‘cultural homogeneity’ or traditional conservative Christian values, national pride etc. All that said, there are four mosques in Poland - nobody has torched them or pulled them down in the middle of the night

Do you genuinely believe the UK is the only country in Europe that offers a benefits system? Almost all others do too…

We are building. Offering schemes so people can purchase empty larger homes at decent prices.

However, Spain doesn’t have the house culture of the UK. Unless you’re in a very small town or village, the average person and family lives in flats. Houses with gardens and multiple floors are for the well-off, especially in populated areas.

The UK seems (to an outsider) obsessed with detached houses, gardens and driveways. Normal Spanish families don’t tend to have that - you buy yourself a flat in the city and socialise outdoors - at the park, at the corner bar…

Introduce citizen ID. So those overstaying illegally can’t disappear into the black economy.

Speed up hearings for those claiming asylum and deport immediately if they’re not given leave to remain. This would need a huge investment in our courts and civil service.

Allow those waiting for asylum to be granted to work, legally andpay tax etc. No cash benefits paid, only vouchers/in kind.

Take those on student visas out of the migration numbers. But ensure they don’t overstay.

But you know since Brexit legal immigration has increased hugely. We rely on it and without the freedom of movement within the EU those coming here to work have to do it permanently.

Brexit actually caused an increase in both legal and illegal migration.

Apparently it's a mix of speaking English and already having friends/family here.

I dont think the government is politically bothered about the ones that disappear as they don't have to fund them.

100% this. We offer a benefits system.

Farage has already admitted he can't stop the boats.

What’s so funny? I know from experience that this is true, lived in Spain for many years.

Expats don’t pay “a lot of money into the economy of the land they’ve chosen” in Spain. They are pushing people out of their own cities and towns and driving prices up.

“Expats” are swooning in from London, renting a 4-bedroom flat for £1500 while telling everyone back home just “how cheap” Spain is - of course, they’re used to £2-3k rents. Without thinking twice about how £1500 is more than a local family’s monthly wage.

Don’t even get me started on them using the public free healthcare, and constantly complaining or turning up their noses at the local customs.

Of course, this is the government’s fault, not theirs. But let’s stop pretending calling yourself an expat is in some way more honourable than using the actual word for what these people are - migrants. They’re migrants (with money).

How do they organise accommodation for all those people?

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I don’t understand why this is a positive when Reform want it but Labour have been crucified for trying to reduce benefits? Don’t get me wrong I think Labour have ballsed uo, but it’s commonly said they ballsed up by their actions above, which are Reforms policy. I honestly don’t understand?

Anyone illegally entering the country should be detained immediately.

Currently, they register and then disappear. They’re then vulnerable to exploitation because they have no recourse to public funds and no right to work. They are left with dodgy below minimum wage jobs that don’t pay tax/NI. Often end up victims of modern day slavery and living in unsafe housing.

Once they’re caught, they serve their prison sentence and are then deported if the UK have an agreement with their home country. They get their flight back and a resettlement grant. Being detained at entry point could prevent this. There would also be far less cannabis farms.

So what’s the problem then? If communities are housing and paying for asylum seekers, why are they being kept in hotels and hostels? I assume these communities are organising jobs, English lessons and food as well?

What, bringing about a colossal demographic crisis due to an ageing population and then hurriedly allowing lots of Chinese and Korean immigrants in after all?

(in the case of Japan).

You will never halt illegal immigration

Spain have done an interesting thing. They have done an amnesty so everyone that's there illegally can now be regularized , access health care etc and importantly work legitimately providing a boost in the economy by them paying taxes

I found out yesterday that the total cost of processing and looking after asylum seekers is 0.3% of the total Govt. spend.

Kinda puts things into perspective doesn't it?

Apart from anything else, it IS communities that are stepping up taking responsibility for asylum seekers and refugees. But you wouldn't know that because you don't care quite enough to pay any attention to that

I suppose it would have helped if free English classes for refugees hadn't been cut under austerity...

What Japan is doing.

What Hungary is doing.

Etc.

If they’re trafficked yes. If they’re not and they’re merely criminals then no.

That’s true. Off the top of my head one friend from South India had to do the migration properly and pay to get into England. And then get a proper job in an office. She’s now married to an English Iranian man.

No! Expats pay a lot of money into the economy of the land they’ve chosen to live in and enhance the area, buying houses , services, furniture etc. They’re not a drain on it. Many will learn the language too. They will pay health insurance . Those who get it free are part of reciprocal arrangements.

But won’t that help the refugees? Instead of being placed in camos or hotels, they placed in a family home with support and care? Minimal cost to the taxpayer annd everyone is happy right? And I did say, those who state “everyone is welcome”. Like when Ukrainians were fleeing and people took them in.