So what can in practical terms fully halt illegal immigration?

Have you visited many families in this accommodation?

I have

Last family I worked with had water dripping through the light fitting in a house that would not have been able to be let on the open market.

So yes, thats 4 people, 2 adults and 2 kids they had, no housing costs, no bills, no council tax. 200 quid a week to pay for food, travel, clothes, toiletries, cleaning stuff, haircuts etc

Education is free obviously, so is health care.

If they can’t afford to pay people a proper wage they shouldn’t be operating.

Why would the entire family be unemployed? The majority of pip claimants are working.

Yes, although usually from charities.

What does that remind me of? Yes, "Germany for the Germans" ("Deutschland den Deutschen") "Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer"... Both well known slogans born in the last century. It's been a staple of ethnocentric thinking in Central Europe but never a British tradition.

If they can’t afford to pay people a proper wage they shouldn’t be operating.

The benefits include child benefit and pension. More.ober 60s then under 16s.

Because your local family with five children and one disabled is now without work, getting housing, plus support, and not contributing. Now it's £1400 a month just for the children. That's on top of whatever they get for accommodation,.adults, council tax and NHS bills

Objectively, the only solution is to go back into the EU and fully utilise the provision that allows return to the 1st safe (EU) country.

The reason for the small boats is Brexit. Traffickers know that people can't be easily sent back because we are outside the EU.

The irony is excruciating that one of the key architects of the Brexit disaster, Farage, is the one benefitting from the one of the problems it caused while Starmer, who has done more than anyone else to stop the boats, is the one being punished.

Farage won't be able to stop them either. Not without doing something illegal like trying to turn the boats back mid-channel and that will be challenged in the courts. But it won't matter, he will be provided with every get out and excuse under the sun by his supporters, both voters and billionaire press owners.

The problem for Labour is that it is understood to not be racist towards Muslims, unlike Reform, so people believe that they want illegal immigration because the boat people will vote Labour. Even if Farage can't stop the boats, the British MAGA will be content in the knowledge that he shares their racism and hatred of immigrants (apart from rich ones obviously).

They mean the costs of accommodation. No council tax, rent, utility etc. So that's probably £200 a week as furnished as well. And they are in good spots

Each country has to agree to take the person back. We would have to have proof of the country in the first place

The legal route for someone to claim asylum in this country is to do so at point of entry, there is no other route.

Poland for the poles. What's the issue with that

They aren't coming here for the benefits. They come here to work. Without that additional workforce, a lot of older people would not have anyone to look after them. That might be me, you, our relatives, anyone needing that care.

Be careful what you wish for.

And at least we would know who they are and if they are accepted they can get a job and start contributing.

At the moment we have people arriving and sometimes we know about them and sometimes we don't. From the news it would appear a lot of those we don't know about end up employed in shops to sell counterfeit goods

They aren't coming here for the benefits. They come here to work. Without that additional workforce, a lot of older people would not have anyone to look after them. That might be me, you, our relatives, anyone needing that care.

Be careful what you wish for.

It sure does and I said some sort of benefit which obvs includes these. But still over half the population get some sort of benefit. No where near this in France, Germany etc

Phone and clothes?

That figure includes state pension and child benefit.

What I fail to understand is why the government are complaining so bitterly about the benefits bill and seem to begrudge uk citizens a penny whilst being quite willing about housing and feeding any random person turning up on our shores. There was a bbc article a couple of weeks ago that said that lawyers help people to pretend they're gay in order to be granted asylum. This is tolerated whilst disabled uk people are demonised.

This is bound to piss people off. Why is the government taking this stance?

If you had to flee your country would you want to live in a country where you already know people who live there, you speak the language and understand the culture or would you go somewhere where you know no one and couldn't speak the language?
There is no compulsion to seek asylum in the nearest safe country. It is also impractical. Are you saying the UK shouldn't take any asylum seekers?

Reduce the comfy life and benefits offered here. I honestly think that's the only way.

People aren't coming here for the weather, that's for sure.

Accommodation, utility bills, food all paid for. Usually they get clothes and phones and all basic needs are taken care of. Plus a small allowance for anything extra. I would call that a benefit, wouldn’t you?

What else do you want to give to classify it as a comfy benefit, a car allowance?