So what can in practical terms fully halt illegal immigration?

My answer is to process people on the ground in France. Not sure how practical this is and probably the French won't allow it.

I don’t think that’s the case, no documentation doesn’t prevent it.

No, not having documentation does not prevent you from seeking asylum. Under international law, specifically the 1951 Refugee Convention, anyone has the right to apply for asylum in a signatory country, even if they used irregular means (such as lack of documents) to escape persecution.

What do other countries successfully do?

I think the first thing to make law is; if you come here illegally, you will be deported back to your own country, or if that’s too dangerous, a third safe country. End of. This will be done within 30 days.

Secondly, an amnesty. You’ve got 30 days to present yourself to the police station, and you’ll be granted a visa to stay. Any one found illegal after this will be deported. You can’t bring anyone here except a spouse or child.

Whether you are a legal or illegal migrant, you are not entitled to any benefits except minimum basic living for illegals the 30 days of processing.

They do need to get a grip on illegal immigration. If they stopped it abruptly the country wouldn’t feel the need to vote Reform. They’d suck up the rest of the problems as deep down they just know we are a declining empire.

Why arent they seeking asylum in the first safe country? Once they choose to go through another safe country, or many other safe countries, imo they are no longer asylum seekers. They have other reasons for wanting to come specifically here, not just to a safe place.

I didnt say no one pays for it. Is there a comprehension fail here?

I was setting out what the client receives and what they get free.

They get education for their children free and NHS care free. You understand this yes?

Spend money (shock horror!) on training and employing far more immigration officers so that all migrants and asylum seekers entering the country can be processed quickly and either given legal status to stay and be allowed to work and contribute to the economy, or are deported back to their country of origin.

Employ enough immigration officers to check up and deal with those who overstay visas or otherwise flout their visas.

Prosecute any employers who do not carry out the correct vetting procedure to make sure they only employ people who have a right to work and prosecute employers that pay less than minimum wage and are the ones attracting all the ‘wrong’ types of immigrants.

Not as dramatic and brutal as the US ICE agents who go around rounding up anyone who isn’t white, which is what I’m sure a lot of people would love to see.

I used to teach English to foreign national prisoners, some of whom were illegal immigrants due to be deported at the end of their sentences. I was told by them more than once that they passed through Germany, The Netherlands, France, Belgium etc as there was no way for them to get work there without having the correct papers. They came to the UK because we don't check/care and they knew they'd get work somewhere in our underground economy.
This may not apply to all illegal immigrants but if we crack down on the barbers, vape shops, car washes and other businesses we get cheap deals from paying cash and turning a blind eye to what goes on behind the scenes with them, we might discourage a proportion risking their lives to arrive here illegally.

Totally true. Much like Brits where some of them work hard and pay taxes and contribute and some who choose to not work and are happy claiming benefits for life. Good thing when you immigrate you can’t claim any benefits then.

I just love the assumption that all immigrants are scrounging off the system don’t work and don’t pay tax.

So, just to bust some myths. I immigrated here (legally). Haven't taken one benefit in my life. Not one penny but yes I do use medical
services etc but I pay the highest amount of tax possible.

I wasn’t allowed to claim for anything. I had to show how I could financially support myself for two years. Couldn’t have a council house if I wanted one. Would have been denied and made to leave. No UC even if I needed it.

The real problem in all of this is the wait time to process people and their claims not that they are claiming.

Not every immigrant coats the country money. In fact, I have contributed far more than a lot of British born people over my working life and didn’t go to school here so didn't cost the state for that either.

The ignorance and discrimination is astounding. Or am I just the right kind of immigrant?!?!

They dont throw away their passport, Ive worked with hardly any asylum seekers who dont have any documents, its fairly rare becuase it would prevent the seeking of asylum

What is difficult to prove is what country someone came from to seek asylum from. They may not be seeking asylum from their national/citizen country.

And as posters keep pointing out, you have to have agreement for someone to be returned, either to a previous country they travelled through or the country you think they are seeking asylum from.

Obviously not everyone is like you. Why would they be? Some people coming here work and others don't or are involved in the whatever it's called now economy.

I read a post online saying "With luck we will wake up on Friday with Nigel Farage in number 10.'
The level of ignorance about our political system amazes me.
I am beginning to think there is no hope for the UK.

I just love the assumption that all immigrants are scrounging off the system don’t work and don’t pay tax.

So, just to bust some myths. I immigrated here (legally). Haven't taken one benefit in my life. Not one penny but yes I do use medical
services etc but I pay the highest amount of tax possible.

I wasn’t allowed to claim for anything. I had to show how I could financially support myself for two years. Couldn’t have a council house if I wanted one. Would have been denied and made to leave. No UC even if I needed it.

The real problem in all of this is the wait time to process people and their claims not that they are claiming.

Not every immigrant coats the country money. In fact, I have contributed far more than a lot of British born people over my working life and didn’t go to school here so didn't cost the state for that either.

The ignorance and discrimination is astounding. Or am I just the right kind of immigrant?!?!

All care systems also and schools.

It’s free to them, but we all pay for it.

And it increases the pressure on the services.

Yes and so they throw away their passport.
But then they can’t claim asylum. Then they can’t bring their family over. And when do we stop? When we have how many million? What if 10 million want to come here? Because that is a realistic point. Even if it’s valid, the conversations need to be had. Do we keep raising taxes until we are done and every single person can take no more. I may not be right, but when we lived in West Africa, every single young man wanted to come to the UK.

Why arent they seeking asylum in the first safe country? Once they choose to go through another safe country, or many other safe countries, imo they are no longer asylum seekers. They have other reasons for wanting to come specifically here, not just to a safe place.

To the client. Im saying they dont have to pay for that

Obviously.

So that’s the NHS closing down now then. Should be fine sounds like a luxury anyway.

Because they care for children? More beneficial.

A disabled child won't be working. My point is that the parents are taking much more then they are generating. It's now more state benefits paid out than received in income tax.

Education and heath care are anything but free.

Who do you think pays for that?

@likelysuspect you said we don't take enough for our counties size