What's going to happen to the north of England and Welsh voters who got royally fucked by Brexit and have now voted Reform?

I'm in the south, in a Lib Dem/ Conservative seat (never much between them) this time Lib Dem won BUT with Reform a close run 2nd.

voter turn out 48%

im hoping its a kick up the arse people needed to vote in the GE & the mess Reform will make of many councils is enough to stop people voting for them in a GE.

I don't know what the answer is, but I know it's NOT Reform.

I'm still waiting to hear what OP actually meant by this.

No. Crossing also soared across the Med at the same time to Italy and Greece, so it was migration by boat in general that soared, not just ones to UK.

What an ignorant post.

We did not all vote for Brexit nor Reform.
Across the Manchester suburbs (not GM) it was mainly Greens that got in.
There are just as many idiots down South.

Yes but OP is clearly directing this at those in the north who did vote Brexit/ Reform.

Had this chat with some of my students the other day. One of them is from an area in South Yorkshire that massively benefited from the EU, they took millions of pounds of EU money to regenerate the area then voted leave… Beggars belief really.

I don’t know what to say other than the electorate are clearly embittered and taking a stance. In ways it’s kind of nice to get away from the two party state we’ve lived in for donkeys years but in other ways, sad. I can only hope Reform councillors fuck up really and put people off voting for them in the GE.

Getting a bit fed up of reading threads of people calling other people stupid because their thoughts/values dont aligned. People are entitled to their opinions. Do you think the smartest people in the world agree on everything. In a world where's theres so much false information out there its not even particularly easy to find the facts.

I have a close friend who I have differing political opinions with, not once have we called each other stupid. We just respect that.

Also from the north.... I had no election. Will not vote reform. But also will never vote Labour.... not because I think people are stupid doing so but because my life and their policies dont match. Maybe i'll never learn ey

Worcestershire is reform led council. We have had a 9% council tax increase

That's because they operate on a different cycle, probably whole council elections, where other councils tend to operate on a proportion cycle basis (usually thirds) so rather than having a fully new council every 3 years, the seats are staggered over the term.

What that actually means is that we haven't yet seen the full impact of the Reform surge. Majority of the swing went to no overall control, but only because there weren't enough seats in each council up for election for Reform to take a majority. The next round will result in a lot more Reform councils.

Look at the immigration numbers.
Look at the pro-Palestine marches every weekend for 2 years.
That’s what people see.

They will get what they deserve. Shame it’s inflicted on others too.

No, Brexit has had a huge impact. It isn't so much the returns under the agreement, but the obligation to prevent crossings. As soon as Brexit came in France shrugged their shoulders and removed their resources from it because it was no longer their problem. Hence the number of crossings soared.

Indeed. People are desperate for someone, anyone to give them hope when all feels hopeless. Reform, Trump, far right whatever it is, they give simple headline messages that translate into hope.
Of course in reality things are not that simple and none of it works. Brexit to stop immigrants and fix the NHS? Hasn't worked even a jot. But that was the hope people voted for.
Mainstream parties are doing a terrible job of giving clear hopeful messages and have not delivered in power. I haven't voted Reform and never would but I am honestly at a loss as how we get out of this situation

people here ‘could’ work 2/3 jobs and like in a house share and get on, but it’s not the standards of living that we used to have even 20 years ago. You got a job, you did it, you came home (nice council house or place you could afford to buy) and you had an ok life. The life you describe of sharing accommodation and working more than 40 hours a week is a worse standard of living that we used to have. Many immigrants are driving that worse standard of living by undercutting the Brits by being prepared to accept worse standards of living. If Deliveroo relied on Brits doing the delivery all of a sudden they’d be paying a lot more because they’d have to (and there’d be fewer illegal e-bikes around!).

Its not skilled workers doing their bit that people object to at all. I’m not a Reform voter and don’t support most of their policies. I’m just trying to explain the logic.

I didn't come here as a high salary earner. I am still not one - I work for the NHS, as I mentioned. But the for the first 10 years in the UK I worked a minimum salary job and then studied to improve my earnings potential. But I always worked and I paid for shit housing for many years and made sacrifices to be able to afford a better life. Please tell me why people in economically deprived areas are not able to do the same? What stops them from moving into a shitty shared housing in a city with better job prospects working 60+ hours a week and investing in their education? Is it immigration?
Yes. I am aware that jobs are hard to come by today but this has not been the case until recently. There is a high proportion of migrants doing low paid work and yet British nationals are responsible for 85% of universal credit bill. Why is that? I don't think it's because we've "taken your jobs". I personally never went to an employer to beg them for a lower salary on account of my non-Britishness.
This anti-immigrant rhetoric has been going on for decades and I am very glad you have time in your life to fume about it. I don't. I have to go to my second job in a minute.

Exactly. Reform do well in areas where large gangs of foreign men gather to leer at girls. Reform voters aren’t voting Reform because they object to so many highly trained heart surgeons coming over.

I’m giving you their reasoning, not justification.

How are penalties on second homes anti-English? If by penalties you mean extra council tax, councils in Wales already have the power to do that.

There are lots of English people living in Wales. Some will have voted for Plaid.

Though I will say that although there will be a lot of anti-English policies now Plaid Cymru have won in Wales.
Penalties on second homes etc.

They do despise the English. It's in the DNA of the party. They'll deny it of course.

It's hard for English people to grasp this as it's not a two-way street.

What can you do, though. Sometimes you've got to vote to keep out the lesser of two evils.

Theyll get what they voted for and complain that they didn't understand that voting for face eating leopards would mean leopards would eat their faces.

I’m in Lancashire and did not vote for either Brexit or Reform.
But thanks for thinking that ALL of us northerners are thick as mince.

I hate crap like this. Thick northerners voting Reform. Suffolk and Essex have equally voted Reform. Where is your concern for them?

If a non white person steps out of their lane and has the audacity to want lower immigration, watch them get totally skinned by the ‘kind’ left. All of a sudden the left has no issue with being racist.

You know Reform are the elite and most are the same people as were in power for years.

Probably because they believe the anti immigration news in the papers. Much easier to pretend that we are being taken over by brown people than to give genuine facts.

More faux ignorance. 75% of immigrants are not surgeons, though? Are they.