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To think that this person was house angel etc ..

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onlyaparatraik · 08/05/2026 14:04

Just wondering what you think and need your opinion please.
A woman I know very well is soft, loving and kind a home to her husband and family.
she runs the home super efficiently, is a full time SAHM to adults and basically manages her husbands clothes, meals, past times and social life.
Gos friends don’t like her. They accuse her of being controlling, bossy towards him and largely opinionated.
He says she is entirely different at home albeit with a secret alcohol addiction . Secret to outside the family. Relationships were th husband and children are breaking down.
is this the very typical house angel scenario?
I need objectivity please as I’m too close to the family.
just your thoughts please

OP posts:
SylvanMoon · 08/05/2026 19:43

You're definitely the husband and are concerned that your relationship is breaking down because of her "secret" (although not so secret) alcohol addiction. If you are concerned that your otherwise "wonderful" "angel" wife has a drinking problem but isn't admitting it, then I would suggest you get in touch with Al-Anon family support https://al-anonuk.org.uk/. It makes absolutely no difference to the situation you are describing what any of us here think this woman should be called. What should concern you (if indeed you are her husband) is either she gets some help or you get some help (or both of you get some help). None of the other things you've added to this thread are relevant: that she was a SAHM; that your friends don't like her; or that she's socially active. None of those things are causing your relationship to potentially breakdown. Please seek some help for yourself at least.

Al-Anon UK | For families & friends of alcoholics

Al-Anon Family Groups are for the families & friends of alcoholics who share their experience, strength & hope in order to solve their common problems.

https://al-anonuk.org.uk

MrsSofC · 08/05/2026 19:38

Why does the family need helping though?

The way you picture it is of this woman who has been a SAHM for years, looks after her family very well, keeps the house tip top and husband seems happy with the set up but his friends don't like the woman and think she is controlling and abusive (and could well be if she has a drinking problem).

Have either of these people come to you for advice or are you the woman in this scenario and are worried the husband will start taking notice of his friends? If you are not directly involved why do you feel the need to help them?

Kinfluencer · 08/05/2026 19:36

I think the situation is this

The woman is thought of by all as a good housewife/ SAHM as this is the impression everyone gets of her
However her DH has let slip she isnt really like this and has a drink problem , his friends are not keen on her

shellster80 · 08/05/2026 19:26

This is the most confusing post I’ve ever read. I’ve no idea what the situation is…..

74username74 · 08/05/2026 18:47

GrannyAchingsShepherdsHut · 08/05/2026 17:53

No, amazingly I'm capable of reading something and asking questions all on my own.

Paragraphs and lists are not the sole preserve of AI.

I meant that if it was, not even chat gpt could make sense of OP’s post.. I was tempted myself to ask chat gpt to explain. Didn’t mean to offend you, sorry.

Notimefor · 08/05/2026 18:04

onlyaparatraik · 08/05/2026 14:24

im asking if you think that my description of this lady fits the phrase house angel, street devil .. and what in your experience or professional opinion if appropriate, Is going on here ?

I think you should keep your nose out. Her husband should leave if she is so terrible. It's easy for him to give you a version of events to support his narrative.

GrannyAchingsShepherdsHut · 08/05/2026 17:53

74username74 · 08/05/2026 17:50

Chat gpt summarize? Didn’t help much either.

No, amazingly I'm capable of reading something and asking questions all on my own.

Paragraphs and lists are not the sole preserve of AI.

74username74 · 08/05/2026 17:50

GrannyAchingsShepherdsHut · 08/05/2026 17:45

Right, but can you clearly state what the problem is please because I have no idea what you are asking for.

I've no idea what of the following is true and it can't all be:

She has a problem with drink (needing drinks to get through the day is a problem)

She's controlling and isolating her husband/ and possibly children

She's lovely and completely misunderstood by her husbands friends

She's happy at home doing household organisation

She's overworked at home and miserable

She's pleasant (an angel) at home to her husband and children

She's horrible at home to her husband and children, but portrays herself as 'an angel' to people outside the home

Chat gpt summarize? Didn’t help much either.

GrannyAchingsShepherdsHut · 08/05/2026 17:45

onlyaparatraik · 08/05/2026 16:49

I’m sorry that I’ve confused so many. I’m very conscious of the persons privacy. That was not my intention.
I can assure you I’m sober but in a pickle right now as I’m at a loss as to how to support the family and it is very much my business as I am directly affected.
Thanks for the helpful replies .

Right, but can you clearly state what the problem is please because I have no idea what you are asking for.

I've no idea what of the following is true and it can't all be:

She has a problem with drink (needing drinks to get through the day is a problem)

She's controlling and isolating her husband/ and possibly children

She's lovely and completely misunderstood by her husbands friends

She's happy at home doing household organisation

She's overworked at home and miserable

She's pleasant (an angel) at home to her husband and children

She's horrible at home to her husband and children, but portrays herself as 'an angel' to people outside the home

BauhausOfEliott · 08/05/2026 17:37

onlyaparatraik · 08/05/2026 15:11

This is exactly it . She is all of those things but the effects of her drinking has started to cause the breakdown of the family relationships but she doesn’t think she has an addiction. Just some drinks to get through the day.

This is quite an odd thread and I don't really know what you think you'll get from it.

If you think someone is an alcoholic and you have concerns about the way she treats her husband, just say that, rather than making weird, oblique references to 'does this woman none of you have ever met meet the definition of a 'house angel'' which isn't going to help you in the slightest.

nolongeranutjob · 08/05/2026 17:27

IME of family members and work colleagues with alcohol problems there is very little you can do unless the person acknowledges they have a problem and are ready to accept help.

I doubt anything else can be done about the other issues until the drinking is addressed, and once it is, these other things might nolonger be a concern.

Hatty65 · 08/05/2026 17:03

I don't think she sounds like any sort of angel. His friends say she's bossy and controlling, she sounds like she has a miserable life as the stay at home drudge and I'm not surprised to hear she has a 'secret' alcohol addiction.

I'm not sure what or why you want people to agree with your 'house angel' scenario. It feels utterly irrelevant to anything. If you need to offer support to this person or family then do so - but labelling or pigeon holing this woman is not going to achieve anything.

SwanRivers · 08/05/2026 17:00

onlyaparatraik · 08/05/2026 16:49

I’m sorry that I’ve confused so many. I’m very conscious of the persons privacy. That was not my intention.
I can assure you I’m sober but in a pickle right now as I’m at a loss as to how to support the family and it is very much my business as I am directly affected.
Thanks for the helpful replies .

it is very much my business as I am directly affected.

Excellent.

So you can go and speak to them all then 🤷‍♂️

onlyaparatraik · 08/05/2026 16:49

I’m sorry that I’ve confused so many. I’m very conscious of the persons privacy. That was not my intention.
I can assure you I’m sober but in a pickle right now as I’m at a loss as to how to support the family and it is very much my business as I am directly affected.
Thanks for the helpful replies .

OP posts:
boringperson123 · 08/05/2026 16:44

Are you drunk? This thread makes no sense lol

SwanRivers · 08/05/2026 16:43

onlyaparatraik · 08/05/2026 14:17

I don’t want to out myself by explaining my relationship to the lady . Im here for your opinions. I would have asked her if it was appropriate. Which is why I’m here instead.

I would have asked her if it was appropriate.

You've answered you own question very early on in the thread.

It's not appropriate because it's none of your business.

You don't need to 'approach' anything.

74username74 · 08/05/2026 16:43

is a full time SAHM to adults and basically manages her husbands clothes, meals, past times and social life.

What grown arse man can’t manage his own clothes and social life? That’s not managing a household, that’s parenting an adult.
A partner should be capable of handling their own clothes, meals, hobbies, and social life instead of outsourcing basic adulthood to their wife.

historyismything82 · 08/05/2026 16:37

onlyaparatraik · 08/05/2026 15:42

This.

@onlyaparatraik why are you being so vague? Who are you in relation to this sitiation and what do you want from us exactly?

MNBV221 · 08/05/2026 16:36

onlyaparatraik · 08/05/2026 15:42

This.

You have quoted yourself

Why do you feel you should help her?

ForCosyLion · 08/05/2026 16:34

The typos make your post hard to follow. Gos friends? The alcohol addiction is secret to outside the family? Assume you mean the addiction is a secret outside the family but not inside. Or is she hiding it from the family too? And house angel? That's not the saying. The idea of the saying is the opposite of what I think you mean, which is "Street angel, hearth devil". It means someone who's very different behind closed doors, usually much worse.

I don't really have the foggiest what you're asking, to be honest. How are we supposed to know what this person is like?

74username74 · 08/05/2026 16:32

Muffinmam · 08/05/2026 16:26

I think the OP is drunk and the person she is referring to is herself.

The reason being - her writing style appears she is under the influence and no one would refer to a controlling alcoholic as a house angel.

I agree. In her mind she has made up the word house angel for herself.

Instead of intoxicated former SAHM now unable to work.

Celandines · 08/05/2026 16:26

I think House devil, street angel is a German saying for people who are horrible behind closed doors, but sweet and charming to the outside world

Muffinmam · 08/05/2026 16:26

WilfredsPies · 08/05/2026 15:43

Thank you to those responders who have not been deliberately obtuse I don’t think anyone has been deliberately obtuse. Your writing style just isn’t the easiest to understand.

And I don’t think you can help. She sounds like quite a dominant character and doesn’t sound like she feels any help is necessary. She’s living her life exactly how she wants to. If you want to help her DH and adult children, all you can really do is tell them that her behaviour isn’t normal, it isn’t healthy and you’ll support them in distancing themselves from her. They have to make that decision for themselves.

I think the OP is drunk and the person she is referring to is herself.

The reason being - her writing style appears she is under the influence and no one would refer to a controlling alcoholic as a house angel.

Muffinmam · 08/05/2026 16:23

onlyaparatraik · 08/05/2026 14:09

Sorry house angel meaning a person is totally different inside the home than when outside the home

I have never heard this saying. It’s probably because no one says it. If shes controlling and an abusive alcoholic then she’s not an angel.

Why are you giving her headspace?

whywonthelisten · 08/05/2026 16:19

GrannyAchingsShepherdsHut · 08/05/2026 14:30

What is 'gos friend',
What do you mean by a sahm to adults - do you mean she 'mothers' her husband?
What do you mean by she's 'a home to her husband and family'?
What is a typical house angel scenario?

I think it's "His friends don’t like her. They accuse her of being controlling, bossy towards him and largely opinionated."