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AIBU to hope the greens do very well today?

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ForGreenHiker · 07/05/2026 15:34

That’s it really. go Zack! 💚

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CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 07/05/2026 23:27

glitterpaperchain · 07/05/2026 22:05

From a quick search, looks like it's a little early for results on the specific Glasgow venue but this study is underway:

https://www.stir.ac.uk/research/hub/contract/1954762

This consultation discusses the successes these rooms have had in other countries which is why the Glasgow pilot was approved, eg

'Evidence shows that these facilities reduce the level of harm associated with drug consumption by limiting the acute risk of blood borne virus transmission through equipment sharing, preventing overdoses, and encouraging drug users to engage with services'

https://www.rcgp.org.uk/getmedia/eb72accb-db13-476a-a8be-5c7e608bcc79/Scottish-Affairs-Committee-Glasgow-Safer-Drug-Consumption-Facility.pdf

That is a small harm reduction by helping to prevent transmission of blood borne diseases. It’s not addressing the actual drug problem though.

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 07/05/2026 23:25

glitterpaperchain · 07/05/2026 22:06

It's a disingenuous question

How is it disingenuous? It’s quite a straightforward question.

You’re not just calling it disingenuous because you can’t answer are you?

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 07/05/2026 23:22

glitterpaperchain · 07/05/2026 21:54

They wouldn't be making them available for people to START taking, they'd be regulated substances for rehabilitation and therapeutic purposes

Yes they will be supplying drugs to the public.

And how do you think the ‘maintenance therapy’ for heroin and crack cocaine will play out? If someone wants to get hard drugs on prescription, how easy will it be to just claim dependency (or find an existing addict to give you your first dose) and get free drugs from the state?

There are so many issues with this I don’t know where to begin. The effect on society as more people take up this offer. The effect of the state messaging on the dangers of these drugs - if the state is giving them out, many people will take it that they are not a serious health risk.

The unintended consequences around the existing drug barons and dealers - do you think they are just going to quietly go out of business and get a job in Tesco? Or might they use their considerable entrepreneurial skills to find some way of exploiting this state sponsored drug party?

And how is this Green Party ‘government’ going to acquire the heroin, crack, cocaine, amphetamines etc they want to supply to the general public? Are they proposing to become actual drug manufacturers? Or just buy them off some drug lords?

I just can’t fathom why presumably otherwise sane members of society support this utter lunacy. It’s like the Young Ones wrote their wish list and it’s coming to life.

From the Green Party:

The Green Party proposes different levels of access based on the risk profile of each substance:

  • Specialist Pharmacies: Licensed pharmacists would dispense recreational drugs like powder cocaine, MDMA, amphetamines, and psychedelics after a consultation including safety information
  • Medical Prescription: Highly addictive drugs like heroin and crack cocaine would be available via prescription from doctors as maintenance therapy for dependent users
……
  • Adult Autonomy: The party believes adults should be free to make informed decisions about drug consumption, provided these are balanced against public safety.

leeds.greenparty.org.uk/2026/03/26/green-drug-policy-closer-look/

DinoDoughnut81 · 07/05/2026 23:14

FernandoSor · 07/05/2026 22:53

They won’t be available for people to start taking. They would be available to registered addicts on prescription, along with counselling and other therapies. The policy is ‘legalise and regulate’ however this has been turned into ‘pick up some crack cocaine with a pint of milk’ by the press.

How much crack would be prescribed to crackheads? That's the thing with crack-its very more-ish. You can't just take a prescribed amount, you'll take what you can get prescribed and get more on the side. There's a crack epidemic in the UK because there are no therapeutic drugs like methadone for heroin. And with crack you want more and more, as soon as it wears off-more.

LoyalMember · 07/05/2026 23:00

The real issue at hand...😁

AIBU to hope the greens do very well today?
FernandoSor · 07/05/2026 22:53

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 07/05/2026 21:52

Rehabilitation may well be more effective than punitive action but the proposal is to make all drugs legal including heroin, crack and date rape drugs.

In what scenario do you think the state should be making those drugs available for people to start taking?

They won’t be available for people to start taking. They would be available to registered addicts on prescription, along with counselling and other therapies. The policy is ‘legalise and regulate’ however this has been turned into ‘pick up some crack cocaine with a pint of milk’ by the press.

1dayatatime · 07/05/2026 22:51

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 07/05/2026 22:03

That doesn’t answer my question though. How many can we take?

I've always believed that you can have open borders or a welfare state- but importantly not both.

The moment you do, then you send out an invitation to all the impoverished of the world to come to your country and live on welfare. And to be blunt if you were living in poverty in another country then why wouldn't you?

It's simply not sustainable and to be honest we are already nearly there as welfare spending is already in excess of income tax revenue.

FernandoSor · 07/05/2026 22:46

TeenagersAngst · 07/05/2026 16:51

Until Ed Miliband decides to build massive solar farms all over arable land even when locals don't want it? That sort of control?

Ah, those poor farmers, forced at gun point to build profitable solar and wind farms on their own land by the evil Ed Milliband.

I would have thought that Conservatives would be supportive of landowners’ using their own land as they see fit but apparently not.

Livelovebehappy · 07/05/2026 22:41

Absolutely not. I live in a very diverse area, and in the last locals the Green Party were bringing up the rear. But now due to their pledge of helping the people of Gaza, we suddenly see a surge in their popularity. Must admit I’m not sure of what the support for Gaza is going to look like if they get in here. It’s local elections, supposedly for local issues like pot holes and bin collections. Not for using council tax for focussing on issues outside my city, or indeed outside the UK. I assume all hell will break loose here if a penny of our council tax (10% increase this year) goes to any pet projects of the Greens outside our region.

Thefastandthecurious5 · 07/05/2026 22:39

LoyalMember · 07/05/2026 22:35

I'm in Glasgow often. It can't take anymore. Glasgow already takes over 400% more than it has to.

Aye. And how did you come to that 400% figure?

Thefastandthecurious5 · 07/05/2026 22:38

Thefastandthecurious5 · 07/05/2026 22:24

No lol - the Greens have publicly said they’ll look at removing the state pension triple lock with a double lock (increasing the pension in line with either average earnings growth or inflation, rather than also including the CPI in that too).

*replacing the state pension triple lock with a double lock

LoyalMember · 07/05/2026 22:35

Thefastandthecurious5 · 07/05/2026 22:10

I don’t know. How many do you think we can take?

I'm in Glasgow often. It can't take anymore. Glasgow already takes over 400% more than it has to.

Looseweightlooseinterest · 07/05/2026 22:35

MyTrivia · 07/05/2026 15:50

Everyone saying no, who would you vote for instead - Reform?!

I have voted Lib Dem’s in our area to keep reform out 🙏

Thefastandthecurious5 · 07/05/2026 22:32

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 07/05/2026 22:13

They are leaked documents- I don’t have a link but I don’t think the figure has been denied by the GP.

The question is, how many do you think we should take?

Another question is, why is it assumed that a ‘diverse’ society automatically a healthy one?

Lebanon has become extremely ‘diverse’ with large amounts of immigration in the last 40 or so years and that hasn’t worked at all well. A previously peaceful and prosperous society is now violent and ripping itself apart.

Lebanon has actually always been a diverse society and it’s generally worked pretty well. It’s been invaded a few times by Israel, has undergone an economic crisis for the last five or so years and is also at war now. That may explain why it’s not doing well. That’s nothing to do with its immigration levels. The U.K. is being invaded or not at war or in an economic crisis, so it’s crazy to compare us to Lebanon.

Humdingerydoo · 07/05/2026 22:29

dontmalbeconme · 07/05/2026 22:12

So I had a real conundrum today. Our local Green Councillors are absolutely fabulous, have been around a while and have done great stuff for our area. (Unlike the majority party Cons. Cllrs, who have been utterly awful, disinterested and actually criminal in one case). Would I vote in a GE for Greens, nope. Too much crazy, too much I can't support in their policies. Did I vote locally for Greens? Yep. The running Green Cllrs have done such great things for our community locally. I'm uncomfortable about it sending the message I support Green policies generally, though.

Honestly, that's ok. You're voting for the local green councillor because they're the right ones for where you live. I would also feel weird about that decision, but for local elections you really need to think about what's best for you.

We had a labour councillor here a few years ago who was absolutely incredible. She has since become an independent, but even before that she had people who would normally vote to the right voting for her. She was just quite simply the best person for the job 🤷🏻‍♀️ She got things done and did so kindly and with empathy.

Thefastandthecurious5 · 07/05/2026 22:29

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 07/05/2026 22:13

They are leaked documents- I don’t have a link but I don’t think the figure has been denied by the GP.

The question is, how many do you think we should take?

Another question is, why is it assumed that a ‘diverse’ society automatically a healthy one?

Lebanon has become extremely ‘diverse’ with large amounts of immigration in the last 40 or so years and that hasn’t worked at all well. A previously peaceful and prosperous society is now violent and ripping itself apart.

After a bit of Googling, I’ve found out the documents you’re mentioning are not necessarily leaked, as there’s no mention anywhere of that.

They’re a report by Simon French, the chief economist at Panmure Liberum investment bank, and not publicly available. The report apparently says a Green election win in 2029 would increase the population from around 71.5 million to 75.9 million by 2034 via annual net migration of about 900k.

Annual net migration is NOT the same as ‘5 million immigrants per year’, which is what you said.

EasternStandard · 07/05/2026 22:28

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 07/05/2026 22:13

They are leaked documents- I don’t have a link but I don’t think the figure has been denied by the GP.

The question is, how many do you think we should take?

Another question is, why is it assumed that a ‘diverse’ society automatically a healthy one?

Lebanon has become extremely ‘diverse’ with large amounts of immigration in the last 40 or so years and that hasn’t worked at all well. A previously peaceful and prosperous society is now violent and ripping itself apart.

I don’t mind hearing their proposals but agree with you just side stepping on the how many can we take questions doesn’t help.

dontmalbeconme · 07/05/2026 22:26

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 07/05/2026 22:15

Well no you would be mad not to vote for the party who has done so much for your immediate area in this local election.

Well, yes, that's the stance I took. I wouldn't have voted Green in a GE, though. I felt a bit yukky that I was giving the impression I support ZP and some of the Green Party policies I'm not on board with, though.
Locally, it"s easy enough when you know the people involved, and know who has served the community well. In a GE, sadly I'm not a fan of any party. Unless things change, I'll end up voting tactically for the least bad in the next election, but when they're all pretty awful, so who could that be?

Thefastandthecurious5 · 07/05/2026 22:24

TheKittenswithMittens · 07/05/2026 22:15

They plan to remove the state pension.

No lol - the Greens have publicly said they’ll look at removing the state pension triple lock with a double lock (increasing the pension in line with either average earnings growth or inflation, rather than also including the CPI in that too).

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 07/05/2026 22:23

That would be with current immigration policy though - not open borders.

Why don’t you think it could be 5 million per year? We give free healthcare, housing and benefits - that’s a pretty attractive offer.

Also net migration is not the same as immigration.

Kindnesscostsnothingtryit · 07/05/2026 22:19

ForGreenHiker · 07/05/2026 20:01

Jesus. I swear some people in Mumsnet are so blinkered about trans issues that they have lost the ability for critical thinking. “He said woman can have a penis therefore he hates women!”

As a previous poster said, I believe Zack to be an ardent feminist and I trust him to stick up for women’s rights more than any other party.

This is the same guy who reckons he can crease the size of women's breaststroke through hypnosis? Right feminist.

glitterpaperchain · 07/05/2026 22:15

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 07/05/2026 22:13

They are leaked documents- I don’t have a link but I don’t think the figure has been denied by the GP.

The question is, how many do you think we should take?

Another question is, why is it assumed that a ‘diverse’ society automatically a healthy one?

Lebanon has become extremely ‘diverse’ with large amounts of immigration in the last 40 or so years and that hasn’t worked at all well. A previously peaceful and prosperous society is now violent and ripping itself apart.

I thought the question was how many can we take? Is it can or should?

mumofoneAloneandwell · 07/05/2026 22:15

I'm voting Green.

But i DONT support Zac Polanski 🙄🙄

The man is a mess, who 'isnt ready to be PM'

Whatever side of the spectrum you fall on, a man backtracking like he has, and lying about being a Red Cross ambassador is embarrassing and weak

I am not a Keir supporter but the man can go toe to toe with Trump and can lead. Zac just gives weak man who claims his partner does all the housework because theyre better at it 🤢🤢🤢

Get Caroline Lucas back in charge FGS

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TheKittenswithMittens · 07/05/2026 22:15

They plan to remove the state pension.