AIBU to hope the greens do very well today?

I get the impression that the honourable original aims of the party are still evident in some quarters, but if the greens every get near any real power then these genuine people will be flushed from the party along with what is left of the original policies.

I don’t hate Jews, I don’t think women can have a penis and I don’t think we should legalise crack so they’re probably not the party for me

The Scottish Greens voted en masse against the six words amendment of the Forensic Medical Examiners Services Bill which was intended to allow rape survivors the ability to request (not demand, merely request) a female medical examiner.

That's not 'trans accepting'. That's anti women.

And it's a big part of why many women won't vote for them.

Quite.
I take it the pp lives in a very nice area unaffected by asylum hotels and HMO’s.

Do you know the reasons behind the policy though? It's about following what the research shows will have the most harm reduction.Focusing on rehabilitation rather than punitive justice is shown to reduce offending and reoffending rates. Decriminalising things like possession stops vulnerable people from being driven further towards criminal enterprises. Are these insane ideas?

There are currently lots of dangerous drugs which are legal and they are highly regulated. What do you think the policy will look like in reality?

You are quite right to not want to be insulted. You answered the questions and said that we have a largely very right wing media - which is factual not facile.

I don’t really get the Zach love it. He’s treated like the Messiah, the second coming, but he’s actually just as shit, if not shitter, than the rest of them.

I meant, was the specific quote in their policies, as you had put it in quotes

I'm not sure I understand the rest of your post. I mean I understand it, but no in relation to the question of whether you wouldn't vote for any trans-accepting party. Are you saying no and that's why?

Legalising all drugs for a start! That will end well.

Yeah no one’s buying that angle.

Yes, it is in their policies.

Self ID is in their manifesto and they strongly oppose the For Women Scotland Supreme Court decision.

"So you wouldn't vote for any trans-accepting party"

I think you might not have thought this through.

I believe that in a pluralistic society, people should be free to have many different beliefs, but women need rights regardless of their feelings about gender.

I know that my life is different to my mother's and my grandmother's and my great grand mother's life because of sex based rights that did not exist 50-100 years ago. Those rights can be taken away. Identifying as a trans man or as non-binary does not protect against the need for an abortion or contraception or female specific health care, or sex based discrimination.

What, Hypotits? God no, I hope they get a gubbing.

Scottish Greens even worse. They took the (unearned) power they were given through the Bute House agreement and were utterly incompetent.

Our area has had green councillors so when I voted today I considered what they did for us when they were in last time. Absolutely fuck all.

Ah, here comes Blossomtoes. Where've you been all day?

I don't agree that the media is right wing.

😂

I don't agree that the media is right wing. I don't think that ZP is being smeared by a right wing press. If that's your starting point, there's probably not much to discuss.

It feels like a lot of people are condoning the antisemitism in the Green party by voting for them "because Palestine".

You aren't an antisemite for being a supporter of a two state solution. You are an antisemite if you agree with various antisemitic posts made by members of the Green party you voted for. You are an antisemite if you keep pretending antisemitism isn't an issue and that Jewish people deserve what's coming "because Palestine".

Ok. I was happy to genuinely discuss this with you, because we probably have some common ground somewhere. I can't be arsed with the insults, though.

I think all parties are put under scrutiny for antisemitism. Reform and Tories have both been accused of antisemitism in the media.

I think your facile analysis of the media as 'right wing' is the problem.

You do know there are trans men too?

Because the antisemites on the left have people who claim to be anti-racist defending them. It therefore obviously becomes more newsworthy.

What is your view?

Correct!

Cross-dressing men have been around for a while.

Voting for a party that pretends that they're women has never been a good idea though.

Interesting that's in quotes, is that in their policies?

So you wouldn't vote for any trans-accepting (not sure of terminology) party regardless of policy, as that makes them insane? Genuine question, sounds sarcastic

Right. Yes, that's clearly why.