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Twiglets1 · 12/06/2026 12:39

TheLandlordsAreFrowning · 12/06/2026 11:49

He did write that Kemi would help Farage into No. 10 if needed. I have actually read the article!

If Shipman has deliberately misinterpreted her, then perhaps the Speccy will print an apology?

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What he wrote was his opinion. Not what Kemi said.

I doubt The Spectator will need to write an apology because he was open about the fact it was his opinion.

People are misrepresenting the article though to suggest Kemi said it.

TheLandlordsAreFrowning · 12/06/2026 12:35

EasternStandard · 12/06/2026 12:24

Huh it was a one word answer to do you vote Tory? - yes was your answer

Did you say no?

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My post of 11:58 in response to you. Not my response to WB.

Ionlymakejokestodistractmyself · 12/06/2026 12:28

Upstartled · 12/06/2026 12:16

No, because Kemi never suggested being active in a war with Iran. She said we could support out biggest ally by offering access to our military bases. An action that Starmer sanctioned like a heart beat later.

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Um, are you sure about that? some Kemi quotes that she swiftly backtracked from...

"The US has taken offensive action to destroy missile launch sites to defend British territory. Why will the Prime Minister not allow the RAF to do the same?"

"Why is he asking our allies (US and Israel) to do what we should be doing ourselves? I say to Labour MPs that we are in this war whether they like it or not. What is the Prime Minister waiting for?"

EasternStandard · 12/06/2026 12:24

TheLandlordsAreFrowning · 12/06/2026 12:22

Oh EasternStandard, you really need to read my pp more carefully! Now let's not derail the thread any further.

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Huh it was a one word answer to do you vote Tory? - yes was your answer

Did you say no?

TheLandlordsAreFrowning · 12/06/2026 12:22

EasternStandard · 12/06/2026 12:06

Tricky question ok, how about this one. As a Tory voter what do you like about them?

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Oh EasternStandard, you really need to read my pp more carefully! Now let's not derail the thread any further.

Upstartled · 12/06/2026 12:16

Ionlymakejokestodistractmyself · 12/06/2026 12:06

Kemi seems quite good at telling everyone what they're doing wrong without actually saying much about what she would do right.

She (and Farage) also had a huge go at Starmer for not backing Trump fully on Iran. If she'd been in power would we be taking fire from the Middle East by now?

No, because Kemi never suggested being active in a war with Iran. She said we could support out biggest ally by offering access to our military bases. An action that Starmer sanctioned like a heart beat later.

EasternStandard · 12/06/2026 12:06

TheLandlordsAreFrowning · 12/06/2026 11:58

If you are asking for details of someone's personal voting preference or history, and you want a serious answer, it is good to use words like "please" or phrases like "if you don't mind me asking".

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Tricky question ok, how about this one. As a Tory voter what do you like about them?

Ionlymakejokestodistractmyself · 12/06/2026 12:06

Kemi seems quite good at telling everyone what they're doing wrong without actually saying much about what she would do right.

She (and Farage) also had a huge go at Starmer for not backing Trump fully on Iran. If she'd been in power would we be taking fire from the Middle East by now?

TheLandlordsAreFrowning · 12/06/2026 11:58

EasternStandard · 12/06/2026 11:53

Which Tory PMs does this include?

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If you are asking for details of someone's personal voting preference or history, and you want a serious answer, it is good to use words like "please" or phrases like "if you don't mind me asking".

EasternStandard · 12/06/2026 11:53

TheLandlordsAreFrowning · 12/06/2026 11:49

Yes.😊

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Which Tory PMs does this include?

TheLandlordsAreFrowning · 12/06/2026 11:49

WaffleBomb · 12/06/2026 11:28

Do you vote Tory?

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Yes.😊

TheLandlordsAreFrowning · 12/06/2026 11:49

Twiglets1 · 12/06/2026 11:31

I wouldn't say he was wrong to write what he did because he was expressing his opinion. Journalists are allowed to have opinions - paid for them even.

What is wrong is people misinterpreting Shipman's opinion as something that Kemi said.

A lot of time I think people comment without even reading the interview or article in question.

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He did write that Kemi would help Farage into No. 10 if needed. I have actually read the article!

If Shipman has deliberately misinterpreted her, then perhaps the Speccy will print an apology?

To think Kemi Badenoch is starting to talk an increasing amount of Sense? Part 2
To think Kemi Badenoch is starting to talk an increasing amount of Sense? Part 2
EasternStandard · 12/06/2026 11:34

WaffleBomb · 12/06/2026 11:27

I don't think Kemi gives two hoots what Labour/Green supporters think of her. Nor do I.
I'm glad she's ruffling feather though, thats a good sign.

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Yep

Twiglets1 · 12/06/2026 11:33

Upstartled · 12/06/2026 10:09

Yes, it is good, isn't it? You asked a question and look at how easily people were able to answer it without an outcry that you were provocatively asking questions about our PERSONAL opinions. Look at how easy that was?

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Agreed. It was easy to give our personal opinions and to respect that our opinions aren't all identical and that's ok.

Twiglets1 · 12/06/2026 11:31

TheLandlordsAreFrowning · 12/06/2026 10:36

I found her bullshit remark on Twitter, backed up by a video that has clearly been cut. Shipman insists he was right to write what he did.

I suppose we will find out who was lying if Reform win the next election, but fall short of a majority.

I wouldn't say he was wrong to write what he did because he was expressing his opinion. Journalists are allowed to have opinions - paid for them even.

What is wrong is people misinterpreting Shipman's opinion as something that Kemi said.

A lot of time I think people comment without even reading the interview or article in question.

WaffleBomb · 12/06/2026 11:28

TheLandlordsAreFrowning · 12/06/2026 11:22

@WaffleBomb Kemi's week, good or bad, is irrelevant at this point three years from a GE and has no affect on my mood!

I am unhappy about the attack in Belfast and what the people of Belfast have gone through as a result, stoked by certain politicians who Kemi looks rather favourably upon. That is far more important.

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Do you vote Tory?

WaffleBomb · 12/06/2026 11:27

EasternStandard · 12/06/2026 11:24

Some won’t like Kemi no matter what. They’ll keep attacking and perhaps it will see a Reform / Restore gov in instead.

I don't think Kemi gives two hoots what Labour/Green supporters think of her. Nor do I.
I'm glad she's ruffling feather though, thats a good sign.

EasternStandard · 12/06/2026 11:24

Some won’t like Kemi no matter what. They’ll keep attacking and perhaps it will see a Reform / Restore gov in instead.

TheLandlordsAreFrowning · 12/06/2026 11:22

@WaffleBomb Kemi's week, good or bad, is irrelevant at this point three years from a GE and has no affect on my mood!

I am unhappy about the attack in Belfast and what the people of Belfast have gone through as a result, stoked by certain politicians who Kemi looks rather favourably upon. That is far more important.

WaffleBomb · 12/06/2026 10:56

BIossomtoes · 12/06/2026 10:52

Thank you. I find it very difficult to believe that a journalist like Shipman made it up.

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Made what up? His interpretation of what she actually said is not accurate. The Editor also says that what people like yourself are suggesting does not reflect what she actually said.

Kemi has had a very good week, and some are obviously very unhappy about that.

EasternStandard · 12/06/2026 10:54

WaffleBomb · 12/06/2026 10:49

However, the Tory leader took to X to dismiss the claim, writing: “This is bulls---. What I ACTUALLY said is we ‘cannot have another Left-wing government. But I’m afraid that Reform has quite a lot of Left-wing ideas’.” She added that she had been clear on “deals, no aggression pacts and so on” that the answer was “no, no, no, no, no, no, no”.In response to a separate post on X from Lee Cain, a former Conservative No 10 director of communications, who also claimed Mrs Badenoch had opened the door to a confidence and supply deal with Reform, Mr Gove responded that it did not “reflect what Kemi Badenoch actually said”.http://archive.today/IK3Qk

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True we can’t have another left wing gov, Kemi is right in that. This one is bad enough.

Any further left and the markets would make it unviable. And the rest of the social unrest that would follow more left wing policies.

BIossomtoes · 12/06/2026 10:52

TheLandlordsAreFrowning · 12/06/2026 10:36

I found her bullshit remark on Twitter, backed up by a video that has clearly been cut. Shipman insists he was right to write what he did.

I suppose we will find out who was lying if Reform win the next election, but fall short of a majority.

Thank you. I find it very difficult to believe that a journalist like Shipman made it up.

WaffleBomb · 12/06/2026 10:49

TheLandlordsAreFrowning · 12/06/2026 10:07

Where did she say that, please? On Twitter? So she is saying Shipman lied and she wouldn't make Farage PM?

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However, the Tory leader took to X to dismiss the claim, writing: “This is bulls---. What I ACTUALLY said is we ‘cannot have another Left-wing government. But I’m afraid that Reform has quite a lot of Left-wing ideas’.” She added that she had been clear on “deals, no aggression pacts and so on” that the answer was “no, no, no, no, no, no, no”.In response to a separate post on X from Lee Cain, a former Conservative No 10 director of communications, who also claimed Mrs Badenoch had opened the door to a confidence and supply deal with Reform, Mr Gove responded that it did not “reflect what Kemi Badenoch actually said”.http://archive.today/IK3Qk

TheLandlordsAreFrowning · 12/06/2026 10:36

I found her bullshit remark on Twitter, backed up by a video that has clearly been cut. Shipman insists he was right to write what he did.

I suppose we will find out who was lying if Reform win the next election, but fall short of a majority.

Upstartled · 12/06/2026 10:09

Smeuse · 12/06/2026 10:03

That is a very low bar.

Personally, I would like to see the Tories appealing to their one nation voters and stand up to Reform/Restore.

But it is good to see where you all stand on a Reform/Tory coalition.

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Yes, it is good, isn't it? You asked a question and look at how easily people were able to answer it without an outcry that you were provocatively asking questions about our PERSONAL opinions. Look at how easy that was?