Vaping while pushing pram?

you think a doctor would say yes hold a baby after smoking in the same clothes you just smoked in?

Any doctors on Mumsnet?

No they wouldn’t this is what you are supposed to do

I was just going to say this. People feel morally superior to people who vape sometimes. It’s very bizarre. Vapers get a kicking worse than any other cohort on here.

Getting your dad to change his clothes after he has a cigarette is way over the top. I'm sure even a doctor would agree with me!

The study did not look at never smokers.

They looked at 'never-regular-smokers' who selected the description, 'I have never been a smoker (ie, smoked for a year or more).'

The 1 in 7 figure does not refer to regular vapers but to 'current vapers' which was anyone who 'reported using an e-cigarette', including those who had been vaping for less than a week and those who vaped less than once a week.

So that 1 in 7 figure includes an unknown number of young people who smoked for up to a year, we don't know how long ago, and who are now vaping (perhaps since just last week) because they're still struggling with cravings, or who have an occasional vape while out socialising because they know this is a situation which makes them prone to relapse.

It's not a completely useless study because it uses the Smoking Toolkit data and they have asked exactly the same questions year after year, so it's useful for tracking changes over time.

But these findings cannot be compared with ASH's data because the definitions are so different.

wow! 😂

I don't see a problem if they stop for a vape outdoors, away from the baby.

DH smoked cigarettes for years and all around the time we had DDs, but always outdoors and away from them. He now vapes. I wish he would give up for his own health, but it is a serious addiction and I honestly think there are far worse things in life in other terms.

Of course. It’s just a shame people can’t do it a more respectful way. I doubt anyone would speak like this in real life.

Good for you. You do know it is a public forum where people view their opinions don't you?

There is a vast difference between privately thinking something and coming on a forum labelling people as trashy, uneducated, skanky etc because they do something that actually could be of benefit to their health if they are using it to quit a worse habit.

Yes everyone judges, but it doesn’t always need to be said in such a cruel and belittling way.

What I find funny is that nobody is commenting on the health implications for the baby (probably because they are negligible when outside) but just on how grim it looks. Well I don’t walk down the street and immediately judge or care so much about how a stranger looks. Certainly not enough to spout vitriol about it online. If they were drink driving it would obviously be different because it’s a danger to others and should be called out.

No absolutely not. And in addition to the potential health risks to the baby it looks unbelievably chavvy. Yes, I know that MN hates that word but sometime no other will do.

I don’t really believe people who say they don’t judge. And I also don’t think there is anything inherently wrong with judging, in and of itself. Some people should be judged (drink drivers, for example, are widely judged and rightly so imo).

Obviously no one will agree on everything when it comes to who should be judged, but telling someone not to judge is silly - everyone judges others for something. You were a bit judgy when you said to that poster that her comment was smug and superior, and “congratulations for being so middle class and clever, is that what you need to hear”. You were judging her based on her comment. Maybe rightly, maybe not 🤷🏻‍♀️

I don’t really believe people who say they don’t judge. And I also don’t think there is anything inherently wrong with judging, in and of itself. Some people should be judged (drink drivers, for example, are widely judged and rightly so imo).

Obviously no one will agree on everything when it comes to who should be judged, but telling someone not to judge is silly - everyone judges others for something. You were a bit judgy when you said to that poster that her comment was smug and superior, and “congratulations for being so middle class and clever, is that what you need to hear”. You were judging her based on her comment. Maybe rightly, maybe not 🤷🏻‍♀️

It really really is not as damaging as smoking
its more damaging that people say this, smokers hear it and carry on smoking

I am so not middle class, in fact i was brought up on one of the most deprived estates in Sw Scotland and even i think walking along pushing a pram whilst smoking/vaping is trashy just as trashy has some bloke pushing a pram and swigging out of a bottle of Bucky. Anyone that smokes/vapes or gets pissed in front of their children is as common as fuck.

Justifying it by saying there are things like car fumes too doesnt make it more attractive or virtuous.
Just try to not vape at all. Pack it in.
I used to smoke. I became ashamed of it. Once I was it was easy to stop. Saved a fortune too.

I personally vaped to give up smoking (I’ve quit vaping now too!), but I never smoked or vaped around my children, and never would. I would judge somebody for doing so.

Not really no. Apart from looking really dreadful ( it does), the pong, it is as damaging as smoking. Passive smoking is a very real problem. Passive vaping I suspect is too.

This thread has been genuinely quite surprising. I don't smoke, or vape but I had no idea MN feels so strongly about vaping.

A bit like the day I realised how strongly MN feels about surrogacy (please don't take this to mean I want to hear about the immorality of surrogacy).

I like it, thank you for introducing me to it, im definitely going to use it 😃

Love "wilding" too!!

Have you ever considered just…not judging?

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I feel like I have taken a micro tour into teenager land

LOL Google has a better explanation