Giving Reform voters what they voted for

Russian passports for all Reform voters, I reckon.

So you don't benefit at all from the fact that all British citizens aged 3-19 can receive a free (at the point of service) education or that other people can be kept healthy by a free (at the point of service) healthcare system?

Or the shoplifters are the "society owes me a living" brigade who have been emboldened by the "gold star for everyone" brigade.

If the Conversatives and Labour hadn’t allowed unprecedented amounts of economic migrants into the country over the last two decades, we wouldn’t be in a situation where Brexit happened and Reform are likely to get in. Absolute failure of government.

Exactly.

Where has this shitty idea come from that we should only pay for what benefits us directly.

We all for part of society and society contains many forms of inequality. People who can contribute, should contribute to help those that can't.

It's no wonder people are shoplifting with impunity, not bothering to wear headphones in public and cheating the school admissions process, they're the me, me, me brigade.

Shocking selfishness

And that’s becoming more and more people. I vote Labour because we have a great Labour MP and I want to keep them so have no interest in voting Reform, but it is the people working a full week and ending up with less in their pockets than the benefit junkies that laze around all day that will vote Reform. It’s the people who are earning well but can no longer afford anything apart from just getting by that will be voting Reform. Do the mainstream parties have any interest in addressing their issues? I don’t think so.

Labour are doing well on getting immigrants processed and I respect Shabana Mahmoud but they are taking endless taxes without addressing pensions, benefits and NHS. They fare endlessly blocking houses from being built (driving up the cost of housing yet further) and factories and offices being built (turning companies away from investing and growing here). They need to bypass the NIMBYs, fish discos and bat tunnels, cut welfare and ditch the current NHS spending model, and show that they understand the issues and are prepared to address them.

Reform will probably get the majority of protest votes from people who are sick of the system that doesn’t benefit not reward hard working people

its depressingly predictable.

The medication I am on I pay privately because the nhs wait for adhd diagnosis was 9 years at the point I paid- not that it matters

I was responding to someone who was saying They never used the NHS.

Interesting point. Well reasoned.

Sounds great to me
nhs is crap so I think private insurance is the way forward,
and human rights act needs complete overhaul in favour of common sense and law abiding citizens

hth

I really don't know but at least they are talking about reforming the NHS which HAS to be done - it is a 1940s system which no longer works in today's world which is why it has such poor outcomes compared to other countries and why no-one else has copied it.

Do you think most of the EU population have vacccinstions? Cancer treatment? A&E? Do you think at all??? Goodness!

I agree with you to a certain extent.

But is this something that your would trust Reform to do well?

I would like an alternative instead of having to use the NHS where I would probably die slowly anyway through waiting

Have you had vaccinations? Given birth? Had smear tests or mammograms? Do you take the pill? Have you ever been to A&E?

I virtually never went to the doctor ever until my late 40s (10 years ago). I was very fit and healthy too. Since then, I have developed a number of serious problems - through absolutely no fault of my own. Apparently. I was genetically predisposed to them.

I haven't met a single person of colour voting for Reform, I say this as a person of colour. Yes, there will be some, but they will be a small proportion of the ddemographic. A huge chunk of Reform support online is bots and people from the global south posing as 'George the Patriot' from Burnley. There have been huge exposes on this. There is genuine Reform support in the country, but a lot of what you see online is fake.

These are such rubbish points. Alot of people (including me) just want to copy the best health systems (France etc) many of which are in Europe funnily enough so you'd think the rabid remainers would be keen to copy rather than sticking with our own rubbish system (which for the hard of thinking is not "free"). But alot of the hard people seem to think that the only alternative system in the world is the US. And yes happy to not having the HRA apply to me and everyone else - it didn't for most of my life (age 56) as was only incorporated into law in 1998 and before that we seemed to deport foreign criminals etc just fine.

Most European countries spend more taxpayers’ money on healthcare.

Well quite. It’s just ridiculous.

I believe that’s OP’s point…

I think it’s about the same as reform saying they’ll build “detention centres” in green constituencies only. I wonder how our political landscape as fallen into such chaos.

Hi. He is quite cagey about it these days because his schtick is to hoodwink the sorts of voters who can’t afford health insurance but here’s a clip for you https://www.instagram.com/reel/DXMwZGygnoc/?igsh=aXI5bmR5bnplM3Bk

Exactly. I’ve never needed the Fire Dept. Perhaps I should be able to opt out. And if my house ever catches fire, they turn up with a credit card machine, and we have to swipe £10k before they start, or watch our home burn to the ground.

What about people who can't work though? Or don't have the highest level of insurance? What do they do? Do you think - and please realise I'm not having a go, I'm honestly curious - that people without children shouldn't pay for education? Or any supported child benefits? My view is that people shouldn't be be allowed to opt only into taxes that benefits them directly as it's shortsighted and a stable society necessities an element of give and take - and that applies to all services. But I respect you might think differently and I'm interested in that, but not aggressively so. Thanks.