Giving Reform voters what they voted for

Ah yes. Great idea. I've never been ill in my life before. Last year I had NHS treatment that cost well in excess of half a million pounds which saved my life. It's looking like I will needs further treatment. In the US, with health insurance, my treatment would have cost around $8m. You'd be cool with self-funding this treatment if something like this happened to you, would you?

That's the problem with resenting contributing minimally towards universal healthcare . It doesn't benefit you, until it does.

Oh yes I imagine that working very well in a multi-car road traffic accident, terror attack or natural disaster, half the people taken to A&E and the other half left to wait for their private providers to attend. 🙄Or are you hoping your expensive insurance means you'll be airlifted out with your broken leg before the child with the head injury is seen by NHS paramedics?

I am a centrist and I too tried to listen and understand. And I did (listen and understand)! My conclusion is that most those people are cunts, want their cuntish views to be accepted as mainstream, but are weirdly offended when you call them out for what they are.
I'm done being polite about it!

That man is utterly repulsive. His comment was horrific and not a one-off.

People like that would absolutely usher in tyranny if we're stupid enough to vote them in.

And no they didn’t vote for Brexit and aren’t voting Reform.

How about if you live in an area that has only one GP surgery, but if you try to change to another surgery nearby, they refuse because you are not in their self-imposed ‘catchment area’? This has happened to my elderly relative. She and her elderly neighbours often end up in A&E. Their GP surgery has taken on so many patients that nobody gets treated efficiently.

Lol…they think the taxes will be lowered once the NHS is scrapped. Bless.

Totally agree. It’s just not how to win people’s trust.

It isn’t though. I’ve been where you are, I’ve tried to understand it. I’ve had countless conversations with people in real life and on social media. I’ve been polite, I’ve listened. It makes no difference. The vast majority of those voting Reform are doing so without any real insight into their policies, or any clue what the country would actually look like under a Reform government. You ask them what Reform has to offer other than deporting immigrants and they haven’t a clue. We will end up like the US. Is that what you want? I’m done trying to ‘listen to both sides’. Nobody is listening back. And I am also centrist.

If it's good for the goose its good for the gander

The centre are wherever the public are (and as I said on another thread the extremists are the politicians of the last 25 years who have presided over unprecedented debt and immigration, massive taxes hand in hand with worsening public services and mad net zero leading to the highest energy costs in the Western world while refusing to build new power stations). Most people just want to go back to the moderate 90s before all this happened - THAT is centrist.

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Change your surgery then.

Private or not , it's still the free public service offering and recently Wes has told them to make online appointments available all day but they chose to ignore him.

You didn’t state your feelings though, you outright implied that everyone who votes for Reform must be stupid. That’s divisive and will get us nowhere.
Personally, I miss the more sensible centrist approach and won’t vote Reform or Green. But I at least want to try and understand why people are voting the way they are than outright declaring anyone who thinks differently to me is stupid. That’s stupid in itself.

You’re right. Better to let the blind lead us blindly into fascism.

I make no apology for my feelings.

Oh behave with this rhetoric. I’m sick of seeing this. I’m not a reform voter, my friends span the political spectrum. Some are Reform voters. All are intelligent individuals exercising their democratic right. You are just further instilling divisiveness with this bullshit.

Absolutely, I transferred my dad across from his GP (where it was impossible to even get through to anyone, let alone to book an appointment!) to my surgery where they can usually squeeze you in during the same day if necessary. The difference is like night and day!

I got a same day face to face appointment not long ago. Try moving to an efficient practice. You do know GP practices are private businesses, don’t you?

Because I would be paying for the GP either as a one off or through insurance, at the moment I have to do that but still pay the same tax even though I can't get appointments.

The German system is part taxpayer funded and part funded through mandatory health insurance. The average German citizen pays more than the average UK citizen. Waiting times are generally shorter though.

well then they should vote better, otherwise you get what you vote for

How would you paying less tax result in you getting a more accessible GP?

LOL "If you can't beat them, join them" still a thing.

You do realise a lot of our current immigration issues are from Farage and Brexit?

we’re no longer part of the Dublin agreement which meant we could return asylum seekers to their last country before entry to the UK. So all those we’d have returned to France or wherever are now stuck in hotels.