Thought on this? DS school situation..

Teachers know this, hence leaving ample time. But there comes a point where kids are fucking around and not doing the work, that's when they get kept in at break.

If you spent the first 2 hours of the wall building session on your phone, you'd rightly be punished.

Totally agree. They do not get paid enough for the shit they have to put up with day in day out.

I have no understanding of your " school situation" at all. I gave up classroom teaching a few years back but then it was normal to keep children back at breaks or lunch to help them catch up , give them some individual attention or just to remind them that it you wasted class time you had to waste some break.
(It was never the whole of break or lunch because everybody needs a run round)
I dont think children even mentioned it to their parents and if a parent had contacted me about something so insignificant I would have thought they were extremely strange.

Jesus OP. Get a grip. Mountain out of molehill. If you think this is worthy to post on MN, wait until he’s in seniors/6th form/becomes an adult and HAS to take some personal responsibility.

Nothing else to do all day?

Maybe tell him, “Son, it’s no big deal, just ask the teacher if you need some information or need some help. That’s what your voice is for”. End of.

We did, but it's obviously not an option open to everyone. And some schools and local authorities then still put up barriers to parents having private assessments, saying they only take into account NHS diagnoses. It's often a catch 22 situation for parents.

some things are worth going private for. Your children’s well being and education is one of them.

At some point, accommodating 'whatever is reasonable' for each child becomes impractical when we're talking about a standard class size of 28-30.

'Whatever is reasonable' is also pretty subjective, where do you draw the boundary of 'Adjustment A helps Child B, but is distracting or unhelpful for Child C'?

This is why OP's child needs to be supported in asking for help when he needs it. The teacher anticipating his needs and preferences is not reasonable, especially when he doesn't even have a diagnosis. Far better and easier if he can learn to ask for support (and indeed it will stand him in better stead throughout his life).

Have you approached the school formally about this? Have you taken him to the GP to enquire about an assessment for it? Have you searched online to find a private assessment?

You are his parents. He is your child. If you think he has some sort of disability, it is up to you to deal with it.

I wonder how many primary school children are a bit forgetful and disorganised? Surely the first step is for the parents to help the boy to focus on how he can improve and to monitor that. If after doing everything they can at a family level, he appears to have a serious problem, significantly impeding his work at school, then discuss it with the school?

There is a lot of difference between Thinking and a Diagnosis of adhd
has he always been forgetful etc or is it a recent problem ?
talk to the senco they can observe and if needed make a referral and/ or go to the gp
There is a huge waiting list so push for it if you really think there’s an issue
or
he’s just farting about before he starts work

It's a perfectly reasonable response. 🙄

Differentiation exists for this very reason. 🙄

He needs to be on a waiting list for ADHD assessment if he isn’t already. You can do this through a GP or pay privately and avoid a waiting list. You don’t have to go through the school.

Then I won’t be a question of who “believes” what. I would also speak to the SENCO.

Separately to this, I think the teacher’s response is quite reasonable!

It's not unfair, it's literally the teacher's job to help the children learn which includes accommodating whatever is reasonable for each child.
Obviously in this case the teacher can't give one on one attention to every child but schools are obliged to support children appropriately regardless of any diagnosis.

It does sound to me like the teacher is glad to have the information, but they are not able to magically solve a child's problem any more then their parents can. OP, just keep the communication open, as the more (useful) information the teacher has the more then can help

If a school requires a diagnosis before they make reasonable adjustments to help a child, they are not meeting their obligations.

If a child can't learn in a class even with reasonable adjustments then they should have an echp which will outline how the child will be supported and it will be funded by the LA, which could be simply a 1:1 teaching assistant, or something more complex. But I don't think that's a question for the OP

You've pointed out to teacher what you think the problem is - other than try with the school SENCO and follow up with diagnosis - not fast at all - then not sure there's much to be done here.

My schools missed my underlying conditions - my DC despite us pushing missed theirs - but all properly diagonsed now.

I and they got told off for struggling - told off for not saying we were struggling and then often told off for asking for help.

Five minutes of break isn't that bad - he still got some. DD1 who did turn out to be dyslexic - despite schools saying no - used to lose entire break if she didn't get above 7 on spelling test - theyd' admit she was clearly trying very hard - knew we were doing support work in school and home - and nothing done in break improved matters - and even if she got them in test likely wouldn't get them right in any subsquent work- yet every week whatever we said or she did she'd lose entire break.

Can you just imagine being a teacher having to pander to parents who "feel that their child might have ADHD"?
I really hope that the OP actually uses this thread to moderate behaviour.

If he had finished his work then why did he lose 5 minutes of break? It doesn't make any sense.

Anyway I don't think it's right to punish "slower" children for being slow. It's bonkers. So I think you should question that "method".

When it comes to your son eventually being ND I think you have to get assessment. It's not helpful for him or for the school that you say that you "think" he's got x in order for the school to sympathise. Do you know how many parents think their children are ND/gifted/special? Teachers hear that all the time. You need a professionnal evaluation.

It actually blows my mind that anyone would think that a teacher would have time for this complete non-event. How on earth would you imagine they get anything taught if they have to deal with this x 30 all the time?

Oh for goodness sakes, the teacher has explained and actually seems quite nice.

What's five miinutes? It was a misunderstanding, lack of communication. Let it go.

No wonder so many teachers leave the profession because of parents.

And here we have it, one of the reasons that teaching has become so unbearable these days.

Having to respond to endless ridiculous complaints from parents.

I swear to god teaching was a whole different ball game before parents had access to staff emails.

"might have adhd" isn't a diagnosis of anything.

Support the teacher and tell him to get on with his work.

If he managed to complete the “hard” work that he hadn’t “had time” to write down in five minutes then that suggests, VERY strongly that he was mucking about, not paying attention, not concentrating on writing the questions down when asked and generally not putting in any effort at all until he was faced with losing playtime. Hmmmm.

Support the teacher. Tell him to listen, do what he is asked to do , focus on his work and stop whining to you about the teacher trying to do what she is paid to do ie teach your uncooperative child.

My DS is now in yr 6 but last year he lost some of his break for not finishing his work, and had to finish it during the break time. He said that the girl he was sharing with had "lost" the question sheet and I said he should have put his hand up and told his teacher that. He hadn't done so and this was the consequence. I also explained that his teacher could not hold up the entire class because 2 children had not finished their work and told him that on this occasion, he just had to suck it up!

He has since gone on to pass his entrance exams to independent schools and is getting scores such as 49/50 in maths. He just needed to advocate for himself at an earlier juncture in a polite way!

Are you confident that that child was doing his utmost to keep up throughout the lesson? Perhaps if he doesn't want to use some of his break catching up, he should focus on working more efficiently. Believe it or not, that will a long term positive for him. If there is never a consequence to anything, there's no incentive to improve, is there? And do you want him to fall behind the class?

It allows for a bit of flexibility as the boy needed to finish the work. And next time, if his mother stops interfering, maybe he'll work a bit faster. Unless everyone is already working at breakneck speed to finish the work on time, which is unlikely. Working slowly has consequences in life.