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AIBU to think this Green Party response raises antisemitism concerns?

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Twiglets1 · 06/05/2026 06:23

Reported today that Rachel Millward, the Green Party co-deputy leader, has shared a conspiracy theory about the Golders Green attack in which two Jewish men were stabbed.

It emerged the Muslim Greens, a group of party activists, chatted on a private WhatsApp group over the weekend about launching a campaign to highlight the alleged failure to report Ishmael Hussein, the third victim of the April 29 stabbings. There is no suggestion that this idea has the backing of Mr Hussein.

The private group chat, which included Mothin Ali, the Green Party’s other co-deputy leader, suggested the “racist double standard” in the Government’s handling of the attack also needed to be challenged.

The Golders Green stabbings are the latest in a spate of attacks on the British Jewish community. Last week, Essa Suleiman was charged with the attempted murder of Moshi Shine, 76, and 34-year-old Shloime Rand.

Media outlets reported that he was also charged with the attempted murder of Mr Hussein in Southwark, south London, earlier on the morning of April 29

Ms Millward shared a post from the NewsCord account that claimed Mr Hussein had been “erased from headlines to suit a weaponised, desperate narrative”.
The Greens’ deputy leader commented: “How can this be? Three attempted murders and only two reported?”

NewsCord is an AI-generated news aggregator and campaigning platform set up after the October 7 attacks to challenge the “Western media” and how it was “justifying and manufacturing consent for Israel’s war”.

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/05/05/green-party-anti-semitism-local-election-sabine-mairey/

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Twiglets1 · 06/05/2026 15:44

Tekknonan · 06/05/2026 15:20

In the main news, sadly, they weren't. The focus was entirely on the attacks on the two Jewish men. I only found out about the attempted murder of the Muslim man later. Several people on a range of sites commented about this.

I don't think there is anything antisemitic about this. I think it's simply asking for accurate reporting.

All the mainstream sources I read such as the BBC mentioned the third man. Though not in the context of yet another antisemitic attack as the motive for his attack was different and more common in society.

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Twiglets1 · 06/05/2026 15:42

Tekknonan · 06/05/2026 15:30

There seems to be quite a propaganda war going on to deem any negative comments about the current Israeli government and negative comments about extreme Zionism (this is, for example, leading to attacks on Palestinian villages on the West Bank, attacks on Palestinian children trying to go to school, attacks on the Christian community) antisemitic.

It is not antisemitic to challenge and criticise what the current Israeli government is doing, and the apparent sanctioning of what amounts to Zionist terrorism on the West Bank. It is antisemitic to use this to attack Jews, to assume Jews support such beliefs and actions. Many are very unhappy about it and some join the protests.

There also seems to be concerted attacks against Zack Polanski and the Green Party, using the 'antisemitism' slur that destroyed Corbyn. They can't quite get away with calling Zack Polanski antisemitic, but they dig up any error they can, and pick on any expression of disapproval of the current Israeli government as 'antisemitism.'

I’ve not seen anyone on MN say it’s antisemitic to criticise attacks in the West Bank, or attacks on children attempting to get to school or attacks on the Christian community. Not sure where you’ve seen that

I attack Polanski and the Green party because I think he’s a fraud and an idiot who has allowed his party to be hijacked by those with an antisemitic agenda. It’s ok - we’re allowed to have different opinions and to express them. I’m sure you’ll find other threads on MN criticising Starmer and the Labour government or Kemi and the Tory party, etc.

It’s not a propaganda war just people discussing politics which is very relevant with local elections in many places coming up shortly.

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Tekknonan · 06/05/2026 15:30

There seems to be quite a propaganda war going on to deem any negative comments about the current Israeli government and negative comments about extreme Zionism (this is, for example, leading to attacks on Palestinian villages on the West Bank, attacks on Palestinian children trying to go to school, attacks on the Christian community) antisemitic.

It is not antisemitic to challenge and criticise what the current Israeli government is doing, and the apparent sanctioning of what amounts to Zionist terrorism on the West Bank. It is antisemitic to use this to attack Jews, to assume Jews support such beliefs and actions. Many are very unhappy about it and some join the protests.

There also seems to be concerted attacks against Zack Polanski and the Green Party, using the 'antisemitism' slur that destroyed Corbyn. They can't quite get away with calling Zack Polanski antisemitic, but they dig up any error they can, and pick on any expression of disapproval of the current Israeli government as 'antisemitism.'

Tekknonan · 06/05/2026 15:20

Twiglets1 · 06/05/2026 06:35

They were.

In the main news, sadly, they weren't. The focus was entirely on the attacks on the two Jewish men. I only found out about the attempted murder of the Muslim man later. Several people on a range of sites commented about this.

I don't think there is anything antisemitic about this. I think it's simply asking for accurate reporting.

MaidMiriam · 06/05/2026 14:41

MeetMeOnTheCorner · 06/05/2026 12:22

Just a point about cartoons, politicians have long noses in many drawings. Why? It denotes lying. It’s not anything to do with Jews! They are not protected against this long used technique. Remember Yes Minister and the Scarfe cartoons? It’s simply standard for men and women of any creed, colour or race or religion to be drawn like this. It’s shorthand for not telling the truth,

For comparison, here's the cartoon of ZP next to a stereotypical depiction from 1930s Germany of an 'evil Jew'.

Edited to say that I think the image I attached must be going through moderation...

MaidMiriam · 06/05/2026 14:36

Peony1985 · 06/05/2026 07:19

But the fact the man (I also think this is a key feature) was happy to stab his Muslim friend makes stabbing those of a different faith, less about faith/culture and more he’s a violent moron.

When does asking a question become anti Semitic ? Zack/Dave is himself Jewish.
Is my post Anti Semitic?

Zia Yusuf is Muslim. I still think Reform stokes hatred towards Muslims.

Twiglets1 · 06/05/2026 14:29

hazelnutvanillalatte · 06/05/2026 14:26

The deputy leader told the candidates sanctioned for antisemitism that they were ‘making the right kind of noise’ and were ‘not alone’ and recommended they take legal action against the party. They can’t distance themselves from their core beliefs

Yet if they don't distance themselves from being perceived as antisemitic, they may be unelectable by the General Election.

Quite the conundrum.

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hazelnutvanillalatte · 06/05/2026 14:26

Twiglets1 · 06/05/2026 14:03

In one way the Green party needs to distance itself from it's association with antisemitism - gained mainly from the antisemitic ramblings of too many Green candidates.

But in another way - distancing itself from that link will only diminish its appeal from other voters.

It really needs a selling point that is more wholesome, like environmental issues. But the environment seems way down its list of priorities these days.

The deputy leader told the candidates sanctioned for antisemitism that they were ‘making the right kind of noise’ and were ‘not alone’ and recommended they take legal action against the party. They can’t distance themselves from their core beliefs

nearlylovemyusername · 06/05/2026 14:10

wecangoupupup · 06/05/2026 06:29

How many more of these threads are there going to be?

are there other ones? why do you need to join this one if you feel it's excessive?

Twiglets1 · 06/05/2026 14:03

ForWittyTealOP · 06/05/2026 13:02

Will antisemitism in mainstream politics disappear after the elections? Great news! Seems an odd platform to campaign on - vote for us, we don't like Jews - but at least you can promise us an end in sight.

In one way the Green party needs to distance itself from it's association with antisemitism - gained mainly from the antisemitic ramblings of too many Green candidates.

But in another way - distancing itself from that link will only diminish its appeal from other voters.

It really needs a selling point that is more wholesome, like environmental issues. But the environment seems way down its list of priorities these days.

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ForWittyTealOP · 06/05/2026 13:02

Locutus2000 · 06/05/2026 13:00

I have a feeling they will be greatly reduced after tomorrow.

Will antisemitism in mainstream politics disappear after the elections? Great news! Seems an odd platform to campaign on - vote for us, we don't like Jews - but at least you can promise us an end in sight.

EdgyNavyHiker · 06/05/2026 13:02

Locutus2000 · 06/05/2026 13:00

I have a feeling they will be greatly reduced after tomorrow.

You mean when we potentially have people who support terrorists and think Jewish people are cockroaches on councils?

BackToLurk · 06/05/2026 13:00

Plasticdreams · 06/05/2026 12:53

Oh dear lol

Well that’s compelling. You posted the video to apparently demonstrate how the media are lying to us. What are they lying about and how does the video you posted expose their lies? If you don’t know you can just say that. No need to post “oh dear lol”.

Locutus2000 · 06/05/2026 13:00

wecangoupupup · 06/05/2026 06:29

How many more of these threads are there going to be?

I have a feeling they will be greatly reduced after tomorrow.

KeeperOfTheSevenKeys · 06/05/2026 12:56

Plasticdreams · 06/05/2026 12:53

Oh dear lol

Do you have anything to add about antisemitism in the green party?

Plasticdreams · 06/05/2026 12:53

BackToLurk · 06/05/2026 11:30

What’s your argument then?

Oh dear lol

MeetMeOnTheCorner · 06/05/2026 12:22

Just a point about cartoons, politicians have long noses in many drawings. Why? It denotes lying. It’s not anything to do with Jews! They are not protected against this long used technique. Remember Yes Minister and the Scarfe cartoons? It’s simply standard for men and women of any creed, colour or race or religion to be drawn like this. It’s shorthand for not telling the truth,

AIBU to think this Green Party response raises antisemitism concerns?
AIBU to think this Green Party response raises antisemitism concerns?
ForWittyTealOP · 06/05/2026 12:17

KeeperOfTheSevenKeys · 06/05/2026 12:05

Why is Feda Shahin still a candidate? Would you vote for her? What about Sabine Mairey? Joe Belcher? Raja Ateeq?

Mark Adderley? Who appears to be arguing (via his wife) that he can't be antisemitic because she's of Semitic heritage!

(Although this is a marginally more sophisticated argument than Ms Sawalha's who is of the opinion that her husband was suspended through jealousy that he is so gorgeous! 🤣)

ForWittyTealOP · 06/05/2026 12:12

EdgyNavyHiker · 06/05/2026 11:32

Did you see the deputy leader justify the October 7th attacks and encourage members who have been suspended for antisemitism to sue? Seems to go a bit beyond a few bad apples.

Yes, it's not the same party it once was. I would have considered voting Green a few years ago. These days? No chance. The field is once again narrowed for progressive and left wing Jews.

KeeperOfTheSevenKeys · 06/05/2026 12:05

Eskarina1 · 06/05/2026 11:05

This isn't at least one video. It's large numbers of photographs of big groups of Jewish people over consistent numbers of marches. It's sections of marches dedicated to Jewish people. It's high profile Jewish people discussing how they've been treated for expressing concern about Israels actions in Palestine. It's ordinary Jewish people on this board and elsewhere describing that they feel unheard and that their identity is being erased and describing their experiences of going on these marches.

Did you see the interview with Trevor Mcdonald and ZP where ZP described several recent incidents of antisemitism towards him and said that he was very well aware of the rising threat to Jewish people and that his comments about perception of unsafety specifically related to the narrative around the Palestine marches and Jewish people feeling threatened and whether that was a real or perceived threat when these marches included hundreds of Jewish people? Trevor McDonald's reply was "so how do you convince a stabbing victim that it's all in his head?" Which was just so bizarrely far removed from everything ZP had just said.

Have you seen him explicitly telling people not to vote for the candidates that made those antisemitic tweets? Or the explanations about why the process is slow. Because both these things are out there.

I tthink it's obvious their governance isn't designed for a mainstream party. I also think there's so much narrative that the Green party is antisemitic that obviously antisemitic people are going to try and join. But I do not trust the media narrative that the party is deliberately antisemitic. And I'm not going to turn away from a party I've supported for 30+ years because of information I don't trust.

Another example of why would be the Times, very vocal about how bad ZP is but also published a cartoon of him that is genuinely antisemitic. Noone accidentally caricatures a Jewish man with a nose like that.

I think we all need to be very careful. Are we being encouraged to hate specific groups or to other them?

Why is Feda Shahin still a candidate? Would you vote for her? What about Sabine Mairey? Joe Belcher? Raja Ateeq?

EdgyNavyHiker · 06/05/2026 11:32

ForWittyTealOP · 06/05/2026 11:12

Sunk cost fallacy.

Did you see the deputy leader justify the October 7th attacks and encourage members who have been suspended for antisemitism to sue? Seems to go a bit beyond a few bad apples.

BackToLurk · 06/05/2026 11:30

Plasticdreams · 06/05/2026 11:01

Projecting the assumption that I’m making the same argument as those people, instead of actually responding to what I said.

What’s your argument then?

BackToLurk · 06/05/2026 11:29

Eskarina1 · 06/05/2026 11:05

This isn't at least one video. It's large numbers of photographs of big groups of Jewish people over consistent numbers of marches. It's sections of marches dedicated to Jewish people. It's high profile Jewish people discussing how they've been treated for expressing concern about Israels actions in Palestine. It's ordinary Jewish people on this board and elsewhere describing that they feel unheard and that their identity is being erased and describing their experiences of going on these marches.

Did you see the interview with Trevor Mcdonald and ZP where ZP described several recent incidents of antisemitism towards him and said that he was very well aware of the rising threat to Jewish people and that his comments about perception of unsafety specifically related to the narrative around the Palestine marches and Jewish people feeling threatened and whether that was a real or perceived threat when these marches included hundreds of Jewish people? Trevor McDonald's reply was "so how do you convince a stabbing victim that it's all in his head?" Which was just so bizarrely far removed from everything ZP had just said.

Have you seen him explicitly telling people not to vote for the candidates that made those antisemitic tweets? Or the explanations about why the process is slow. Because both these things are out there.

I tthink it's obvious their governance isn't designed for a mainstream party. I also think there's so much narrative that the Green party is antisemitic that obviously antisemitic people are going to try and join. But I do not trust the media narrative that the party is deliberately antisemitic. And I'm not going to turn away from a party I've supported for 30+ years because of information I don't trust.

Another example of why would be the Times, very vocal about how bad ZP is but also published a cartoon of him that is genuinely antisemitic. Noone accidentally caricatures a Jewish man with a nose like that.

I think we all need to be very careful. Are we being encouraged to hate specific groups or to other them?

It is a reality that large numbers of Jewish people feel unsafe going into the centres of cities when these marches take place. That is a fact. It is also a fact that when people chant “globalise the intifada” that creates a hostile environment for Jews.

The idea of ‘the right type of Jew’ is not a new one. Neither is it controversial to suggest that anti-Zionism isn’t a mainstream Jewish belief. The fact is many ‘anti Zionists’ struggle to be able to understand the difference between objecting to individual Israeli government policies and objecting to the existence of the state of Israel in any form.

I have said earlier in this thread that imo the Times cartoon is antisemitic. I’ve no doubt that ZP faces antisemitism. As I’ve no doubt Black politicians on the right face racism. Neither of those things change the nature of the parties they support or the type of views they court.

In relation to having supported the party for 30 odd years, here is an example of your newer members. I posted it on another thread, where it was dismissed as a bot. It isn’t, it’s from a woman who stood for election for the Greens n 2024

AIBU to think this Green Party response raises antisemitism concerns?
Twiglets1 · 06/05/2026 11:14

BeFirmHedgehog · 06/05/2026 10:36

I agree that all 3 attacks should be reported. What is the conspiracy theory? That is a fact.

I expect we all on this thread agree that all 3 attacks should be reported.

They were all reported.

The conspiracy is the suggestion from an AI-generated news aggregator and campaigning platform that they weren't, which was then repeated by the Greens.

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Castellio · 06/05/2026 11:14

KeeperOfTheSevenKeys · 06/05/2026 10:50

If he's so against antisemitism then why does he allow antisemites to be picked as candidates?

If he was against antisemitism he would have drop kicked Mothin Ali and every other person who defends or exposes anti semetic view into the long grass years ago. It would have sent a very strident message. But he hasn’t. Why not?