To explain what an immigration detention centre actually is

The percentage used to be higher. But now IRCs also take people who've completed a prison sentence, but will not be allowed to be released into the community. Almost all of those will be deported/removed to their home countries, which brings the percentage who are released, down.

But much different under the Trump administration with stricter enforcement and a much heavier reliance on detention. In his first term, he brought in zero tolerance policy , which meant that anyone crossing the border without authorisation was criminally prosecuted. This caused family separations, as children could not be held in criminal custody with their parents, thousands of children were affected, and they had trouble reuniting them.

also the administration moved away from the previous practice often referred to as catch and release where migrants were allowed to remain in the community while awaiting immigration hearings. Instead, more people were held in detention centres, including asylum seekers.

The use of immigrant detention centres has grown quickly. Lots of facilities were either newly opened or expanded and a big proportion were run by private companies. The conditions in these centres became a major point of criticism - overcrowding, poor hygiene , and limited access to medical care.

Trump’s second term beginning in 2025 this all intensified with more people held in detention has increased significantly with reintroduction of family detention in some cases and proposals that could allow families to be held for longer

Also no surprise there has been an increase in the use of force by staff, along with reports of deaths in custody.

pretty grim

Googling and copying the AI generated result isn’t really educating people though…

Interesting! Maybe it’s a good policy then? Everyone would be happy?

There's an international law that says you can claim asylum if the country is signed up to a Convention made in 1950 ish. Soz can't remember exactly!.
It's cheaper in the UK to give people asylum and then you don't have to house them hence why most people get asylum (at least that's what happened when I was working in this field). Not the families with children, I dont know about them as I worked with single males.

That just isn't true though is it?

People who arrive here do it in several ways. They either arrive through legitimate means and have a legitimate process to follow, be it immigration application, or seeking asylum. Then there are the irregular arrivals (small boats), which have been encouraged by the Conservative party changing the rules to mean that a person has to be here to claim asylum, and Brexshit which reduced the help of France (the irony of Farage spouting about boats when he was a key Brexshiteer should not be lost on anyone).

There are methods by which they are processed, and the rubbish about them all being given hotel rooms, and loads of money just feeds the bullshit. They are housed in basic accommodation until their claim is processed, and they are given a very minimal amount of money for subsistence.

The current government are returning more than the previous government managed, so they are being deported, unless their claims are being granted. If we don't like that their claims are granted, then we need to change the rules. If they have no right to be here, they are deported. Just not fast enough.

The irony is that the economy is suffering as we have a lack of migrants, but we should never let the truth get in the way of a good publicity stunt.

Flawed logic proving the stupidity of reform and the supporters.

If someone did want open boarders, everyone coming would have the right to be here and live anywhere in general in the country full stop.

The immigration centres are a product of what reform wants, systems to control and/or remove them. So by reforms own stated logic, they should be building them solely in reform areas.

You have a legal right to claim asylum in the UK.

They won't be allowed to work though. My understanding is that they will be confined to the detention centre until they are deported.oh I'm editing because by new jobs, did you mean the new jobs the dention centre will bring?!!

Still not sure what your point is. Are you against the idea?

Well we could just move all the hmo’s into green voting areas then, given the greens tend to be quite keen on open borders and welcoming etc

I don’t know, I do see their point, if an area votes reform they clearly are not overly fond of asylum seekers whereas if you vote green you probably are. I guess you could suggest moving people to areas that vote greena and just let them roam freely until their status is dealt with if the objection is to the existence of detention centres. I would probably think a green voting area would be a bit more welcoming for migrants than perhaps a reform area.

I don’t see why some greens are up in arms about this tbh.

There are laws in place that make it legal to claim asylum so they can't suddenly change the law so the boats will keep coming.
If this is true, and I have no knowledge that says it isn't, how do Poland refuse to accept asylum seekers? Or am I wrong about the Polish system? Apologies as I have no doubt that I am not as fully informed as I should be.

Great, so long as they're then deported.

Childish, spiteful and straight out of the Trump playbook.

Is the Reform "promise" (surely unenforceable) of not putting immigration detention centres in their own constituencies not a bit... petulant? We live in a society where we all try to do our bit to lift each other up along with ourselves - not step on others to improve our own lot. At least that's what I would like to think.

And yes please to rejoining the EU!

I'm still not sure now Reform can get away with saying they will 'stop the small boats' like how? They can put a lid on legal migration, maybe by stating even skilled people can't come in but that is not in our interests. There are laws in place that make it legal to claim asylum so they can't suddenly change the law so the boats will keep coming.

That doesn't make a lot of sense, to me. You want people to be deported and - presumably - detained until they are...but you're against detention centres?

If you were talking about temporary housing pending determination of eligibility, I'd understand the rationale.

There is one about ten miles from me, it's been there for about 25 years.

People who are happy with mass immigration don’t want them either, because they don’t believe immigrants should be held in detention centres. They believe immigrants should be integrated with society. So if you get what you vote for, surely Green areas would just have immigrants integrated into their towns/villages?
Also if you get what you vote for, can I rejoin the EU?