To explain what an immigration detention centre actually is

@ThesebeautifulthingsthatIvegot actually I've just realised this was your weird way of starting conversation about it

So all I will say is, I have lived near one of the hotels and it was not a good experience. A properly run detention centre should be better for locals as we wouldn't really have to worry about it ... apart from the bus load of annoying protesters every weekend.

The Polish government out their citizens rights above the rights of undocumented men whom we know nothing about, living in their communities.
We dont want them here either and the political party that does something about it it the one that a bif proportion of the electorate will vote for.

I’m quite happy that anyone who arrives undocumented is detained. It’s the basics of border control. Would remove the incentive for the boat people and make eventual removal much easier.
The asylum game is a racket. An unsustainable racket.

I agree

But from that, I don't understand why you felt the need to tell people what a detention centre was. We know the difference between a detention centre and a hotel.

The detention centres would quickly be surrounded by people protesting so maybe there is method in his madness....

Australia have them don't they

I'm all for Immigration Detention Centres - albeit no-one would want one in their back yard. It is quite enough that they should be housed in camps, given three meals a day and somewhere warm, clean and dry to sleep. They do not need to given a phone, cash, medical care and whatever else it is deemed that these people deserve over and above the people of the UK.
They may have spent weeks in Europe camping in tents - IDCs would just be an extension of that while they are procressed. I'm not against them working for their keep either - bit of fruit picking etc in exchange for their temporary stay in an IDC - stop them from getting bored and causing problems in towns and cities where they have no idea of how to behave here and think it's okay to hassle the local population.

We’ve all got Google love.

@Plasticdreams you mean the human rights to roam around hanging around outside schools, intimidating women and girls, carrying out crimes including rape and murder. What abiut the himan rights of British citizens to feel safe going about their business?

I have also read two threads on here where people are completely unaware

Only two threads????? There are hundreds. The electorate appear to be unaware about the facts of quite a lot of things.

@ThesebeautifulthingsthatIvegot I agree that there is some nonsense in what he said

But I do think that he meant detention centres, because they are big on having those. What did you think he meant?

You seem quite easy to manipulate if that’s how this thread made you react.

I suppose I am curious about what the motive for the debate is?

If I am unhappy about anything, it is that the level of migration is dropping. I am concerned that those who have legitimate rights to seek asylum are being ostracised in this country, and that the division and hate is increasing. That isn't the country I was brought up in. I thought we were more generous of spirit than that, and wanted to help the oppressed and persecuted.

Obviously, some take the piss, as will always be the case. They are, and have always been, the minority though.

Maybe a better debate would be what is fact vs what is fiction?

The irony is that the economy is suffering as we have a lack of migrants, but we should never let the truth get in the way of a good publicity stunt.

We have had vast amounts of immigration, if there's still a skills shortage then clearly it's not been the right people at all.

YABVU for trying to "educate" people by mindlessly copying an AI summary.

If you want to encourage other people to engage their brains on this topic, it would be more compelling if you had engaged your own brain first rather than outsourcing your own thinking.

Sounds great. As long as they are not free to roam the streets I don’t care

@ThesebeautifulthingsthatIvegot why do you think people don't know what it is?

Poland doesn’t “refuse asylum seekers”.

They run temporary bans on the border with Belarus due to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

But generally, Poland accepts asylum seekers.

Why do you think it doesn’t ?

IRCs have existed in England for about 25 years, probably more! I worked at one briefly, supporting single women asylum seekers.

All the asylum seekers I met had been detained for out staying visas (usually by several YEARS) and working illegally! It was only when caught they claimed to be fleeing persecution.

I still have friends working in the immigration sector. Detention is now rare, the more common way of dealing with an asylum claim is to grant “immigration bail” which means they are left to fend for themselves with no recourse to public funds (no benefits, housing, education, NHS etc) and no right to work. And from there most will go and work illegally as a way of supporting themselves.

We don’t have any idea where people are or how many people are living here ‘illegally’ A removal centre solves that issue!

Googling and copying and pasting the AI summary which is invariably wrong more often than not is weird

You’ve got a bloody nerve thinking you have the right to ‘educate’ me and others. Just another do-gooder. You’ll end up pushing people in the opposite direction to what you espouse.

Isn't it also because they made a deal with Albania so they could be returned as some towns had no young men in them. They were coming here on boats and then disappearing into the criminal gangs.

Check the migration observatory, the ONS and the House of Commons Library.

It depends on what the point of contention is. People with a legitimate right to stay are allowed to. Those that don't have one are deported. It is fairly simple.

If we don't like the criteria under which they are judged, we should change it, but nobody is proposing that. They are just banging a drum that provokes division and hate. Any reasonable argument really stops there.