To explain what an immigration detention centre actually is

I thought you had been held in one or worked in one. That would have been a lot more interesting.

I do know that 100s of people attempt to bring drugs into the country every day. If they are caught, they are arrested, sentenced and deported. Presumably they often end up in immigration detention centres at some stage of that process. It is a lot more humane than what a lot of other countries do to people smuggling in drugs. I also suspect that in the life of a drug mule it is probably not the worst thing that happens to them.

Yep. Nailed it.

Agreed.

I wonder, if after, this valiant, brave, courageous and public service minded attempt to explain what a detention centre is, OP has managed to convince everyone that they want one in their neighbourhood. A bit like a Waitrose.

Excellently explained.

NRPF still includes NHS (for all ) and education (for children). Its housing ,which is the most expensive for individual councils to provide, in the South anyway so they support granting asylum.

Most homeless people don't want a roof over their heads, even when it's offered. Mental ill health, alcoholism and addiction are the issues that prevent them leading a safer life.

I volunteered to help at a winter night shelter, but only if was literally freezing, would people choose to stay overnight. They might come in for an evening meal and for breakfast, but it was a struggle for them to manage to sleep indoors and many didn't want to stick to the (very few and very fair) rules, so they went back to where they usually slept.

There is accommodation available to rough sleepers, but many choose not to take advantage of it. Immigration detention centres are not depriving the homeless of a roof.

Very well put!

No. I think it was just done so that those people coming out of prison couldn't disappear before they were deported. More of an efficiency decision, as far as I know.

Elements of this post - not all - bear some similarities to the deliberate blindness and obfuscation of the trans debate.

Any suggestion that dangers to women increase by allowing universal unchallenged access by any man into spaces where women formerly relied on single sex spaces receives shouts of transphobia- whereas in reality none of the objecting women are remotely concerned about transmen being present - just males. Call it misandry if you wish, but it’s not transphobia!

What drives many women’s concerns about
immigration is the contingent of large numbers of single poor young men from cultures that often regard women as lesser, in some cases akin to livestock - naturally they feel that these males are unlikely to have a positive impact on our society or the safety of women and children. It’s their maleness and misogyny that is regarded as objectionable, not the colour of their skin. It’s not racism.

Some women feel that the interests of women and children must always give way to those of needy men. Those views are no more worthy or moral than the opposite view.

I wasn't praising him 😂😂😂

Oh dear, it's too late to edit

No, I meant it all turned to shit with Boris Johnson being asleep at the wheel

He seems to have set the bar there

I blame him for lots of things - most things in fact

I thought I had phrased that fine, but obviously not - hang on isn't it Obvious that saying "since Boris Johnson" includes Boris Johnson?

No, just a roof over their heads, instead of a sleeping bag on the pavement outside a hotel with illegals hanging out of the windows laughing at them.
Oh and before you proclaim that "this doesn't happen" ....it does becaue i have witnessed it

@Plasticdreams I'm descended from immigrants

I know all of this

It does not sit well with how we handle the situation now

I don't feel as if you are thinking in terms of 2026. There is a difference between having a thoughtful and considered system - of anything - and what we have now.

Actually, careful thought doesn't seem to have factored into politics for awhile now! It's like everyone's been asleep at the wheel since Boris Johnson!

I'm not voting Reform but some of their candidates in the south-east I think are descended from immigrants as well. As I said, I don't feel as if you are up-to-date on this.

I really am leaving the thread now... must stop doom scrolling...

That simply isn’t true. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy0w9zw57glo

The small boat numbers began increasing in 2018. Well before we stopped being able to utilise the Dublin Agreement (which did not play the role you might think it did). And the reason for that is that it is far easier and safer for the traffickers to load 80 people onto a poor quality rhib on a French beach with no security guards or PAF, than it is to get a handful of people into the back of a lorry and through UK Border Force, and have to do that over and over again until the lorry they’re in gets through BF and onto a ferry bound for the UK. Much less work, much less risk, much more money. It’s hardly surprising that numbers increased.

Are you calling for rough sleepers to be locked up in detention centres? When would they get to leave?

I’m not denying that some of the people coming into the country will cause problems and we need a better system to manage immigration,

But the staff in our care homes, and the nurses and doctors in this country aren’t voting for reform! Why is that? Because we don’t trust reform and predominantly these people are immigrants.

Have you been to the memorial in Trinity Square in London for all of those who lost their lives at sea, defending England in WW1 and 2. Thousands of names of immigrants who fought and died to defend us.

We are nothing in this country without immigration. The old version of the UK will never be again, we have to evolve. Crime in London is at its lowest in decades and it’s never been so diverse. This information is readily available if you want to look.

white men in this country still pose more of a danger to us statistically.

We have problems with wealth inequality, like we never had in the past and this pushes people towards crime. We need to tackle this and give younger people more support in community to spot radicalisation, drug dealing etc and invest more money in mental health services and policing again amongst other things

I think we should be more like some other countries and force integration if it’s not happening. So breaking up ghettos and mandating that all children attend day care for a set period each week where they learn English and British values.

Illegal immigrants should absolutely be automatically detained and background checked so we can assess whether they are suitable for entry into our society. Allowing people to work during this time would be helpful….jobs within the bounds of the detention centre.

There’s nothing wrong with the above. People can still be treated with respect and given a safe place to live. We need people who come here to integrate.

So people would be “vouched for” by the Taliban, the Iranian regime…

Do you think it’s a good idea to only take in Afghans that the Taliban have given the thumbs up to?

So how do you explain the same problem happening in European countries who are still in the EU?

@ThesebeautifulthingsthatIvegot you might also be interested in the work of Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who was born in Somalia and suffered FGM. She has a huge catalogue of work so I won't link anything.

I had the great privilege of meeting her not long after Theo van Gogh was murdered, so very difficult times for her. A huge impressive woman and well beyond my intellectual stature! Yes, I felt intimidated to meet her 😂 (also met her husband, Niall Ferguson, in later years. He is gorgeous in real life. Not that anyone asked, but just in case you wanted to know 😂)

I don't support Reform but you posting an ai summary is hardly going to convince any people who were going to vote for them otherwise. It is like Brexit all over again, but more dumbed down.