Immigration Detention Centres in Green Constituencies

Unless he considers his area to be two homes its very unlikely where he lives doesn’t have any migrants. Unless either you or he don’t understand what a migrant is.

Are you not aware that some in power, or seeking to be in power are migrants? A lot of migrants also live in affluent areas because they themselves are affluent.

It won't happen it's just another Reform statement with no substance that will appeal to the knuckle draggers clad in their nylon St.George cross flag.

Yes. In other words, the opposite of detention centres.

Is this an option that Reform are offering?

I'm all in favour of applying Reform policies to Reform areas only. Does that mean that non-Reform areas get to keep our human rights and the NHS too? Can we rejoin the EU?

Why wouldn't they be happy to have asylum seekers in their areas? I'm not a green voter and I don't agree with their open borders policy because I don't think it's workable, but there are already lots of asylum seekers housed in my area and I'm fine with that - they're just people.

Not everyone is racist. If people are relaxed about immigration in general, then why on earth do you think they would have any issue with migrants living in their areas?

They do object to detention centres in which people may be locked up for indefinite periods without trial, and they don't want to see these anywhere in the UK.

Are you genuinely incapable of understanding the difference?

Cost is about £16b to build these things apparently
as green voters don’t want detention centres they can be paid for by reform voters

and reform voters can have a care and health sector not supported by immigrants, eat chlorinated chicken, pay for health insurance (or more likely have no insurance and no cover) and where there are no vaccinations so natural selection speeds up.

Sorry but you are wrong here. I live in a diverse area and have known plenty of Muslim men/boys whose given name is Mohammed (spelling can vary) who have exclusively only ever gone by their middle names.

It is not some kind of secretive behaviour on Zia Yusef’s part, it is a cultural norm. Not one exclusive to Muslims either. I know lots of Welsh men who are exclusively known by their middle names.

Reform Constituency: We want more detention centres!

Green Constiuency: We don't.

Reform Constituency: Well then you can bloody well have them!

Sense, at last.

The cost would be phenomenal. The planning permission and appeals would take years, as would the build. And how would they staff them? You can't just magic up a huge number of trained prison officers to run the places. It's pie in the sky

It depends. If they're a risk to the public they should be detained for a short period before removal. If they've served their sentence and are not a risk but are liable to be removed they sounds be released on a tag. Not locked up for months or years after serving a sentence.

To your second point - I was responding to the PP who swerved from talking about immigration detention to talking about asylum applicants in housing. But fwiw people can be detained while awaiting the outcome of an appeal (ie when they are still having their status determined) they can also have fresh grounds while detained so it's not correct to suggest everyone is liable to removal and appeal rights exhausted.

Yes they are.

I visit an IRC weekly. The majority of detainees are asylum seekers awaiting the outcome if their case, or their appeal. Maybe a quarter are foreign national offenders, and others visa overstayers

No they aren’t
but didn’t ZP say they want open borders

I assume this policy is for the next general election as local councillors would have no power for this kind of thing to be built in a different council area. Am I correct?

An awful lot of the inmates in IRCs are foreign criminals awaiting deportation after serving their sentence. Would you really be against immigration detention for them?

No-one in an IRC is awaiting an asylum decision.

If they do as well as they appear to think they will I struggle to understand how they can keep their promise. It will effectively mean building 40-odd new facilities (assuming they are the same size as the current ones) and with the constraints such as being near to airports, employees, services etc I struggle to see how they would avoid any reform council area or constituency.

They will just invent some numbers, they usually do

I wonder how they decided on 24,000

(yes I am aware)

You're easily the most hysterical one on here - not to mention changing the goalposts when it's pointed out that you don't understand the policy you're parrotting.

I can't speak for Greens because I'm not one, I vote Labour. But if it's relevant I'm against immigration detention for pretty much all cases and I don't really mind where people waiting for their asylum decisions live. I also think they should work and pay tax, if they can.

You understand these exist already right? And inmates already cannot leave the centres - they are effectively prisons. The Reform proposal is simply to increase the capacity from the current 3,500 to 24,000. The costings will be interesting.

Well it has been suggested:

@Bringemout

"they will not be able to leave the detention centre"

#FarageCamps

An immigration detention centre is a prison where those found to be illegally in the country are locked up until they are deported. They are usually situated, for obvious reasons, near airports. They are not ‘migrant housing’. No one gets in or out except in the back of a Serco van.

Why do you think Greens would want these?

Have the Greens been hysterical about this latest Reform proposal? Where and when?

This makes literally no sense. People who want mass immigration are (obviously) against immigration detention centres, wherever they might be situated.