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To wonder whether, as per this claim, Annabel was really seen as a 'yuppie' name in the 80s?

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Giselle374 · 04/05/2026 00:57

I read Lady Colin Campbell's book a while ago about Harry & Meghan. A lot of the claims seemed ridiculous- they can certainly be criticised but the book went beyond reasonable. Anyway, one of the points I found odd was that Campbell claimed naming rules have always been very strict for royals, and mentioned an earlier name choice for Beatrice being vetoed.
I googled and found this choice was Annabel, which the Queen apparently vetoed for being 'too yuppie'. Was it really seen that way in the 80s or was this just some eccentricity of hers? I was born early 2000s and knew quite a few Annabels and Isabel/Isabellas, also one Arabella. It just seemed like a classic name, hardly one to complain about.
Not a traditional royal one : but then she was OK with Zara.

(Not the main point, but while I think they were wrong to choose Lilibet, I didn't agree with Campbell's argument that the Annabel veto meant the Queen remained just as strict in the 2010s. She clearly wasn't if she allowed Savannah, Sienna and Mia, all nice names but arguably more non traditional than Annabel)

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Darrara · 05/05/2026 19:06

HappenstanceMarmite · 05/05/2026 18:56

100% agree. In point of fact, wouldn’t the Princess of Wales’ family have been considered Yuppie with their occupation? Deffo not Sloane.

No, not really. Not young or urban enough.

Giselle374 · 05/05/2026 19:00

mathanxiety · 05/05/2026 03:02

I suspect that is exactly why.

Yes, that would make sense...

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HappenstanceMarmite · 05/05/2026 18:56

MargoLivebetter · 05/05/2026 14:54

Annabel wasn't a yuppie name in the early 80s, it was a sloane ranger name. Yuppies were the new urban professionals, some of them sounded sloaney but mostly they were the upwardly mobile from a wide range of backgrounds.

Sloanes were already upper class or upper middle class and had names like Annabel, Arrabella, Minty (Araminta), Camilla, Diana, Henrietta, Tory (Victoria) etc.

100% agree. In point of fact, wouldn’t the Princess of Wales’ family have been considered Yuppie with their occupation? Deffo not Sloane.

Delphiniumandlupins · 05/05/2026 16:07

HoppityBun · 05/05/2026 08:00

Don’t understand the “yet” here. Annabel Elliott was born in ‘48. Perhaps the OP is too young f to have heard of Annabel’s nightclub in Mayfair. Definitely for the upper crust and named after James Goldsmith’s wife Lady Annabel, born Annabel Vane-Tempest-Stewart in ‘49. Grand enough for you?

Queen Camilla still sounds odd to me, though.

I agree Queen Camilla sounds odd. I think Queen Diana would have sounded strange too, as will Queen Kate (although Queen Catherine is OK).

IbizaToTheNorfolkBroads · 05/05/2026 15:48

CurlewKate · 05/05/2026 12:42

Loads of Sloanes-men and women- went to University. They were called Yahs at mine.

Peak Sloane was well before the massive expansion of universities.

MargoLivebetter · 05/05/2026 14:54

Annabel wasn't a yuppie name in the early 80s, it was a sloane ranger name. Yuppies were the new urban professionals, some of them sounded sloaney but mostly they were the upwardly mobile from a wide range of backgrounds.

Sloanes were already upper class or upper middle class and had names like Annabel, Arrabella, Minty (Araminta), Camilla, Diana, Henrietta, Tory (Victoria) etc.

RitaIncognita · 05/05/2026 14:41

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 05/05/2026 08:24

Yes, I know, that was my point. His name was Albert but when he became king he chose to be King Edward, not King Albert.

His full name was Albert Edward (named for his father and his grandfather Prince Edward Duke of Kent), and Queen Victoria's wish and intention was that he would rule as King Albert or possibly as King Albert Edward. But when he ascended to the throne, he chose the regnal name Edward.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 05/05/2026 13:32

Annabelle was very yuppie. As was Arrabelle/a.

Annabel spelt this more classically English way perhaps slightly better?

I’ve never heard of Isobel/ Isabelle/ Isabella being seen as yuppie though.

pontefractals · 05/05/2026 13:29

I seem to remember cordon bleu cooking courses being a popular Sloane choice after A Levels, as an alternative to university.

Genevieva · 05/05/2026 13:23

CurlewKate · 05/05/2026 12:42

Loads of Sloanes-men and women- went to University. They were called Yahs at mine.

I’m a bit too young for the Sloane rangers, but we called them Rahs or thr pink pashmina brigade. There were no Annabels that I remember. That name is a generation older. They were more likely to be called Cordelia and Hugo.

CurlewKate · 05/05/2026 12:42

QuintadosMalvados · 05/05/2026 08:30

I agree. Would your typical Sloane have gone to university though?
Let's be honest here, the massive university expansion business has over inflated degrees.
I'm just imagining that it was not a given then that a woman of that background would have gone to university given the era?

Loads of Sloanes-men and women- went to University. They were called Yahs at mine.

OvernightBloats · 05/05/2026 08:49

I knew of one sloane who admitted she went to university to meet a husband. That was her primary goal. She didn't really care about the course she was doing!

User565635 · 05/05/2026 08:48

How things have changed, it's anything but a yuppie name now, more council estate I would say!

OvernightBloats · 05/05/2026 08:44

Yes, some sloanes went to university. I was at a red brick university in the early 90s. I wasn't aware it was a popular choice with sloanes until I got there.

It soon became very clear that the type of secondary school you went to was very important if you were in the sloane club or not! It became funny how often I was asked which school I went to by the sloane types and how quickly they judged you because of this.

They really did look like clones wearing very similar clothes with very little individuality. We used to jokingly call them clones!

QuintadosMalvados · 05/05/2026 08:30

OvernightBloats · 05/05/2026 08:10

Being a sloane ranger was like being in a club - you were either in or you were out! It was all about the clothes, the names, the school and university you went to, the holidays, your background, the lifestyle, etc.

Annabelle was the ultimate sloane name in the 80s and 90s. Conjures up an image an 'Ok yah' woman living in a very comfortable, upper middle class bubble.

I agree. Would your typical Sloane have gone to university though?
Let's be honest here, the massive university expansion business has over inflated degrees.
I'm just imagining that it was not a given then that a woman of that background would have gone to university given the era?

QuintadosMalvados · 05/05/2026 08:25

Melancholyflower · 05/05/2026 08:07

Of course he knows Charlie is a diminutive of Charles! He (and several other Charlies he is/has been friends with) have managed to go to good universities and have careers, whilst all being known as Charlie - it really isn't the the problem you seem to think it is.
Maybe it's because all the Charlies (no apostrophe) you know are over 50, whereas they are all under 30, but nobody gives a toss.

It's not a problem for me.
All this is is a discussion of names.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 05/05/2026 08:24

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 05/05/2026 07:26

Because his name was Albert.

Yes, I know, that was my point. His name was Albert but when he became king he chose to be King Edward, not King Albert.

Thechaseison71 · 05/05/2026 08:13

SparklyGlitterballs · 04/05/2026 02:25

Times change. Annabel was definitely yuppie in the 80s and there was a very high profile nightclub that was frequented by the aristocracy and it was a bit of a gambling den initially. I can see why the Queen vetoed it.

I remember a family member being born in the 80s and her parents named her Melissa. My MIL was ridiculous, privately disparaging the name because it wasn't very popular at the time and she thought they were being 'posh'. She was a not nice woman tho.

How weird I knew quite a few Melissas . None of them could remotely be called posh

OvernightBloats · 05/05/2026 08:10

Being a sloane ranger was like being in a club - you were either in or you were out! It was all about the clothes, the names, the school and university you went to, the holidays, your background, the lifestyle, etc.

Annabelle was the ultimate sloane name in the 80s and 90s. Conjures up an image an 'Ok yah' woman living in a very comfortable, upper middle class bubble.

AbundantFlowers · 05/05/2026 08:09

Lilibet is just silly. It’s not even a real name.

Melancholyflower · 05/05/2026 08:07

QuintadosMalvados · 05/05/2026 07:51

Why would he suddenly decide to be called Charles if his name is Charlie?
Doesn't make sense. You and others have broken the link between Charlie and Charles. In your case because you don't like Charles.

Have you told him that Charlie is short for Charles?
Just because names sound similar doesn't mean that they're the same.

In any case, it would still make more sense to put Charles on the birth certificate not Charlie.
It's not doing any harm there sitting on the birth certificate and would only be used on official documents.

Surely it's easier to say, 'call me Charlie' should people call him Charles.
It's easy enough to shorten it. It's a natural thing to do but people rarely lengthen names.

You dont have to say that anybody can ask others to address them by whatever name, this is obvious.

Incidentally, I know a few Charlie's. All over 50, all Charles on the birth certificate.

The mother of one of them hates, hates it when people call him Charlie.

Of course he knows Charlie is a diminutive of Charles! He (and several other Charlies he is/has been friends with) have managed to go to good universities and have careers, whilst all being known as Charlie - it really isn't the the problem you seem to think it is.
Maybe it's because all the Charlies (no apostrophe) you know are over 50, whereas they are all under 30, but nobody gives a toss.

HoppityBun · 05/05/2026 08:00

Delphiniumandlupins · 05/05/2026 03:54

Yet Queen Camilla has a sister called Annabel.

Don’t understand the “yet” here. Annabel Elliott was born in ‘48. Perhaps the OP is too young f to have heard of Annabel’s nightclub in Mayfair. Definitely for the upper crust and named after James Goldsmith’s wife Lady Annabel, born Annabel Vane-Tempest-Stewart in ‘49. Grand enough for you?

Queen Camilla still sounds odd to me, though.

QuintadosMalvados · 05/05/2026 07:51

Melancholyflower · 04/05/2026 19:01

Bit like some people are putting Charlie not Charles on the birth certificate.
This I don't understand: Charlie is obviously a diminutive of Charles AND putting Charles on the certificate at least gives the child the option of two names.

We named one of our sons Charlie because we liked the name, but didn't particularly like Charles. Should he have wanted to, he could have asked people to call him Charles (he didn't, and neither did the other three Charlies in his year at secondary school). Anyone can choose to be known by any name they want to.
My other son has another classic name and we never used a particular diminutive of his name, which is/was sometimes given as a name, when he was a child, because we didn't like it.

Why would he suddenly decide to be called Charles if his name is Charlie?
Doesn't make sense. You and others have broken the link between Charlie and Charles. In your case because you don't like Charles.

Have you told him that Charlie is short for Charles?
Just because names sound similar doesn't mean that they're the same.

In any case, it would still make more sense to put Charles on the birth certificate not Charlie.
It's not doing any harm there sitting on the birth certificate and would only be used on official documents.

Surely it's easier to say, 'call me Charlie' should people call him Charles.
It's easy enough to shorten it. It's a natural thing to do but people rarely lengthen names.

You dont have to say that anybody can ask others to address them by whatever name, this is obvious.

Incidentally, I know a few Charlie's. All over 50, all Charles on the birth certificate.

The mother of one of them hates, hates it when people call him Charlie.

CurlewKate · 05/05/2026 07:27

Yes it was. All wearing velvet blazers and pie crust collars.

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 05/05/2026 07:26

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 04/05/2026 06:15

The yuppy Annabels were born in the late 1950s or early 1960s. Middle-aged, borderline elderly now! Gulp.

It's hard to imagine a Queen Annabel, but the new monarch always has the option of picking a new regnal name. Edward VII was Bertie to his friends and family.

Because his name was Albert.