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AIBU to post solidarity with the Jewish community here?

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RochelleMajerKrich · 03/05/2026 19:16

I deleted my previous account (due to poor mental health) but I’m back.

Solidarity with the Jewish community.

Much love to you all.

I will always support you.

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HobGobblynne · 04/05/2026 08:19

balabusta · 04/05/2026 05:17

And why exactly would you disagree with the right of the Jewish people to national self determination?

Thre are many left wing Zionist political movements which also oppose the actions of the current Israeli government.
Here's the platform of one such poltiical party - what do you disagree with?
https://meretz.org.il/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/English-Platform.pdf

This is why it's very hard to be anti-zionist and not antisemitic
EIther a) you don't actually understand what zionism is and conflate it with its extremist wing or b) you don't believe any nation has the right to self determinaton and there should be no nation-states. In both these cases, you're probably not anti-semitic. Otherwise, yep, antizionism pretty much overlaps with antisemistism.

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You asked how someone can be anti Zionist without being antisemitic, and I answered that question. Explaining the distinction isn’t the same thing as giving my own view on Zionism.

A person could (for example) oppose all ethno religious nation states consistently, or oppose nationalism generally, without harbouring prejudice against Jewish people. Whether you agree with that position is separate from whether it is antisemitic

Dilbertian · 04/05/2026 07:41

adhsamum · 04/05/2026 01:56

Yes. And aside from the fact that this is a really reductive account of Theodore Herzl’s motivations for establishing a Jewish state, it’s a pretty damning indictment if we think the only way Jews can be safe is we send them all off to live separately from the rest of us!

… if we think the only way Jews can be safe is we send them all off to live separately from the rest of us!

Patronising, much? Zionisim is also the belief that Jews have the agency to make their own choices about where they live. A Jew can choose to live in Israel or to live in any other country. You don’t get to send us anywhere, not even in the name of ‘safety’.

I’m sure you meant well, but think about your statement in the context of Jewish history: for 2000 years we have been repeatedly ‘sent away’ ie thrown out of countries where we were established, law-abiding, communities.

We will not be sent away any longer. Like any other citizens - we will choose for ourselves.

Bikenutz · 04/05/2026 07:23

adhsamum · 04/05/2026 01:56

Yes. And aside from the fact that this is a really reductive account of Theodore Herzl’s motivations for establishing a Jewish state, it’s a pretty damning indictment if we think the only way Jews can be safe is we send them all off to live separately from the rest of us!

No one is arguing that Jews ought to be separated from everyone else. Most families who have always lived their lives in the UK would probably rather stay, feeling safe and getting on with their lives. But some Jews do not feel safe, with good reason.

Dismissing why some Jews don’t feel safe ignores hard‑earned experience and history. Textbook antisemitism.

Bikenutz · 04/05/2026 07:11

DoubleStandardsAreNotStandards · 04/05/2026 01:32

The best route out of this is love people unconditionally.

Zionism is a political ideology not Judaism.
A political ideology that is creating division, having heinous acts carried out in its name and, with MSM support, succeeding in conflating any challenge to those acts as an act of antisemitism.
Creating division and fear

What’s missing here is empathy for why Zionism exists. For many Jews, a homeland in Israel isn’t an abstract ideology. It is a response to centuries of persecution while living as minorities in the diaspora. Safety was repeatedly promised and then stripped away. That history is recent, personal, and still shapes how secure many Jews feel today.

You don’t have to support the Israeli government or excuse its actions to acknowledge this. But framing Zionism only as divisive or fear‑mongering, without recognising the fear it was born from, erases Jewish trauma.

balabusta · 04/05/2026 05:33

HobGobblynne · 04/05/2026 01:11

No faux naivety here - just your glaring disappointment that no one has brought up Gaza despite you baiting it twice.

If you assumed this thread was going to go the way of past threads (despite that clearly not being the case so far), why bother to start it? And why not just be pleased it hasn’t, rather than attempting to lead people into a conversation about Gaza, if that’s not what you wanted?

You’ve been praised by many for declaring your solidarity - I can’t fathom what more you wanted to come from the thread?

Yeah, because no one has said that the rise in antisemitism is all because of Gaza.
And it's all Israel's fault actually because they say they represent Jews.

For a lot of commentators, supporting the Jewish community is somehow conditional on them distancing themselves from Israel. There are good Jews (usually one with one Jewish grandparent who rediscovered their judaism in order to declare themselves anti zionist) and bad Jews (the ones deserving of antisemitism).

balabusta · 04/05/2026 05:30

DoubleStandardsAreNotStandards · 04/05/2026 01:32

The best route out of this is love people unconditionally.

Zionism is a political ideology not Judaism.
A political ideology that is creating division, having heinous acts carried out in its name and, with MSM support, succeeding in conflating any challenge to those acts as an act of antisemitism.
Creating division and fear

Yeah, so you actually have no idea what zionism is. All it is is the movement for a Jewish homeland in the land of Israel. That homeland can take many different forms. How that creates division and fear is beyond me unless you are THAT opposed to Jewish self determination and prefer that Jews live as a helpess minority.
Interestingly, one of the reasons that Jinnah establishing Pakistan (with all the division and fear that caused) was because he didn't want Muslims in India to be like Jews....

balabusta · 04/05/2026 05:27

adhsamum · 04/05/2026 01:56

Yes. And aside from the fact that this is a really reductive account of Theodore Herzl’s motivations for establishing a Jewish state, it’s a pretty damning indictment if we think the only way Jews can be safe is we send them all off to live separately from the rest of us!

It's not a question of "safe", that one has been answered over the last two thousand years. Jews are NOT safe living as a minority - of course, some places are safer at different points in time (not forgetting that they have been expelled from England before....) but certainly not everywhere all the time.

This isn't just about British Jews - the Jewish people are a nation spread throughout the world. During the Holocaust, for example, Britain slammed the doors shut (through its empire, including mandatory Palestine) to desperate Jewish refugees. The only people who can save Jews are Jews. If you don't like the idea of Jews having their own state and being able to save other Jews who need a safe haven, well, too bad. Two millenia of persecution, displacement and massacres have taught Jews very well what to expect.

balabusta · 04/05/2026 05:17

HobGobblynne · 03/05/2026 22:53

You can disagree with Zionism as a political ideology, or oppose the actions of the Israeli government, without disliking Jewish people as a whole.

Antisemitism is prejudice against Jews. Anti-Zionism is opposition to Zionism. They can overlap in some cases but they are not automatically the same thing. Just the same as criticising any other country or political movement isn’t automatically hatred of its people.

And why exactly would you disagree with the right of the Jewish people to national self determination?

Thre are many left wing Zionist political movements which also oppose the actions of the current Israeli government.
Here's the platform of one such poltiical party - what do you disagree with?
https://meretz.org.il/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/English-Platform.pdf

This is why it's very hard to be anti-zionist and not antisemitic
EIther a) you don't actually understand what zionism is and conflate it with its extremist wing or b) you don't believe any nation has the right to self determinaton and there should be no nation-states. In both these cases, you're probably not anti-semitic. Otherwise, yep, antizionism pretty much overlaps with antisemistism.

https://meretz.org.il/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/English-Platform.pdf

balabusta · 04/05/2026 05:13

Anyahyacinth · 03/05/2026 20:16

Similar jewish background ..I hate how anti semitism is being weaponised to reduce the right to protest

Yeah, but it's not. HTH. This is about solidarity with the Jewish community and then suddently it's "oh,but it's just weaponised to shut us down". That's veiled anitsemitism.

adhsamum · 04/05/2026 01:56

DoubleStandardsAreNotStandards · 04/05/2026 01:32

The best route out of this is love people unconditionally.

Zionism is a political ideology not Judaism.
A political ideology that is creating division, having heinous acts carried out in its name and, with MSM support, succeeding in conflating any challenge to those acts as an act of antisemitism.
Creating division and fear

Yes. And aside from the fact that this is a really reductive account of Theodore Herzl’s motivations for establishing a Jewish state, it’s a pretty damning indictment if we think the only way Jews can be safe is we send them all off to live separately from the rest of us!

DoubleStandardsAreNotStandards · 04/05/2026 01:32

Bikenutz · 03/05/2026 22:29

Zionism gained credibility as an idea in the 19th century in response to rising antisemitism in Europe. Many Eastern European Jews argued against the idea, suggesting that they had as much in common with other working class people, and the solidarity of the working classes would help them stay safe. Unfortunately this belief in class solidarity was misplaced and many Jews lost their lives in a series of programs, or were forced to flee, some to places like the UK to seek sanctuary.

Some Jews support the idea of Israel as a homeland for Jews - out of a need to live in safety and without fear of discrimination or death.

Just up thread is a concrete example of Jew feeling unsafe and heading into the protection of Israel. Israel is a country at high risk of attack, so they must be feeling pretty desperate to consider such a move.

Some Jews will interpret your ‘anti Zionism’ as a sentiment that denies their right to safety and to be able to live their lives without fear and discrimination.

The best route out of this is to love Jewish people unconditionally. Help create safety where Jewish people live now. Where Jewish people feel safe, they generally stay, or only move for the more usual reasons such as for work or study.

The best route out of this is love people unconditionally.

Zionism is a political ideology not Judaism.
A political ideology that is creating division, having heinous acts carried out in its name and, with MSM support, succeeding in conflating any challenge to those acts as an act of antisemitism.
Creating division and fear

HobGobblynne · 04/05/2026 01:11

RochelleMajerKrich · 04/05/2026 00:09

Can you imagine that this might be because of previous threads?

Drop the faux naivety.

No faux naivety here - just your glaring disappointment that no one has brought up Gaza despite you baiting it twice.

If you assumed this thread was going to go the way of past threads (despite that clearly not being the case so far), why bother to start it? And why not just be pleased it hasn’t, rather than attempting to lead people into a conversation about Gaza, if that’s not what you wanted?

You’ve been praised by many for declaring your solidarity - I can’t fathom what more you wanted to come from the thread?

RochelleMajerKrich · 04/05/2026 00:17

Thechateau · 03/05/2026 21:28

I don't know about this history of this poster but absolutely want to express my solidarity with the Jewish community. I also have a Jewish grandparent and am feeling the horror of this very deeply. The silence from most of the UK establishment is shocking to me. As for Zak Polanski, he is a disgraceful anti Semitic grifter. Trevor Phillips handed him his arse on a plate this morning, that needs to be done more regularly

I watched this and he was brilliant!

(Trevor Phillips that is)

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RochelleMajerKrich · 04/05/2026 00:09

HobGobblynne · 03/05/2026 23:31

You’re the only person who’s mentioned Gaza. Twice.

Can you imagine that this might be because of previous threads?

Drop the faux naivety.

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HobGobblynne · 03/05/2026 23:31

RochelleMajerKrich · 03/05/2026 23:16

Antisemitism is alive and thriving in this country.

Shameful.

But I’m sure someone will be along in a moment with the usual ‘but Gaza’

No.

Just no.

You’re the only person who’s mentioned Gaza. Twice.

RochelleMajerKrich · 03/05/2026 23:16

gentileprof7 · 03/05/2026 23:13

That's what I was thinking ☹️.
It's awful.

Antisemitism is alive and thriving in this country.

Shameful.

But I’m sure someone will be along in a moment with the usual ‘but Gaza’

No.

Just no.

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gentileprof7 · 03/05/2026 23:13

SpecialAgentMaggieBell · 03/05/2026 19:19

Who TF voted that you were being U? Confused

That's what I was thinking ☹️.
It's awful.

RochelleMajerKrich · 03/05/2026 22:56

Good to know a lot of my comments are being deleted whereas a lot of really appalling comments have been left to stand, not just today, but over the past few weeks, months etc

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RochelleMajerKrich · 03/05/2026 22:54

Dilbertian · 03/05/2026 22:50

Anti-Zionist but not anti-Semitic? How?

Yes, I always wonder how… it doesn’t seem possible.

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HobGobblynne · 03/05/2026 22:53

Dilbertian · 03/05/2026 22:50

Anti-Zionist but not anti-Semitic? How?

You can disagree with Zionism as a political ideology, or oppose the actions of the Israeli government, without disliking Jewish people as a whole.

Antisemitism is prejudice against Jews. Anti-Zionism is opposition to Zionism. They can overlap in some cases but they are not automatically the same thing. Just the same as criticising any other country or political movement isn’t automatically hatred of its people.

Dilbertian · 03/05/2026 22:50

DoubleStandardsAreNotStandards · 03/05/2026 22:02

You can be against Zionism and the crimes Israel is committing and NOT be antisemitic.

They are not mutually exclusive either!

Anti-Zionist but not anti-Semitic? How?

Bikenutz · 03/05/2026 22:29

DoubleStandardsAreNotStandards · 03/05/2026 22:02

You can be against Zionism and the crimes Israel is committing and NOT be antisemitic.

They are not mutually exclusive either!

Zionism gained credibility as an idea in the 19th century in response to rising antisemitism in Europe. Many Eastern European Jews argued against the idea, suggesting that they had as much in common with other working class people, and the solidarity of the working classes would help them stay safe. Unfortunately this belief in class solidarity was misplaced and many Jews lost their lives in a series of programs, or were forced to flee, some to places like the UK to seek sanctuary.

Some Jews support the idea of Israel as a homeland for Jews - out of a need to live in safety and without fear of discrimination or death.

Just up thread is a concrete example of Jew feeling unsafe and heading into the protection of Israel. Israel is a country at high risk of attack, so they must be feeling pretty desperate to consider such a move.

Some Jews will interpret your ‘anti Zionism’ as a sentiment that denies their right to safety and to be able to live their lives without fear and discrimination.

The best route out of this is to love Jewish people unconditionally. Help create safety where Jewish people live now. Where Jewish people feel safe, they generally stay, or only move for the more usual reasons such as for work or study.

RochelleMajerKrich · 03/05/2026 22:29

HeyThereDelila · 03/05/2026 20:16

Well said, OP.

Solidarity from this Christian to my Jewish brothers and sisters.

❤️

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RochelleMajerKrich · 03/05/2026 22:28

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cookbookjunkie · 03/05/2026 22:23

DoubleStandardsAreNotStandards · 03/05/2026 22:02

You can be against Zionism and the crimes Israel is committing and NOT be antisemitic.

They are not mutually exclusive either!

Yeah...no. I'm not sure you can be anti-zionist and not be antisemetic, actually.

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