Paramedics made my father go to hospital

Several things puzzle me about this post...I was diagnosed with AF years ago and have been taking daily preventative medication ever since and have consequently NEVER ever had 'an episode'?!
I get yearly check ups at the surgery for both medication and the physical aspect of things to ensure that nothing else untoward is going on...if I were to be concerned in any way that something wasn't quite right (and I knew it wasn't likely that I was having a heart attack) I would ring 111 not 999 as that sets a whole other ball game off as they found out later on but then OP does mention that it was as per 'the consultant's plan' so not sure what that's all about?
The Paramedics were in a catch-22 situation, they probably knew he really didn't need to go to hospital but the protocols were in place that overruled any common sense approach and they had no choice in the matter other than to let OP's Dad know the legal situation if he didn't want to go to hospital which was to sign the appropriate forms to cover themselves and their jobs if necessary, but it's not difficult to understand why and how he and OP's Mum would have felt uncertain and pressured.
However, it's not the Paramedic's fault that the NHS is in such a sorry state and that the poor man was made to suffer for hours on end unnecessarily instead of being at home in his own bed! 🙄

They ordered an ambulance and one came. Paramedics strongly advocated to go to hospital. They are not cardiologists. They cannot undertake all the tests that a hospital can. The patient decided to go
to hospital where they took him. He will have had further tests which would have been reviewed by said doctors and cardiologists. Once they were sure he was safe to discharge and the doctors had their other serious patients stable enough they could come and speak to the patient they did. Patient went home.

Not sure what they are complaining to PALS for. Staff will have to document it and speak/email those involved, review their responses and the whole case. What a waste of more NHS time and money.

I think OP’s father needs to sit down with his family and discuss what interventions he actually does and doesn’t want if his health declines.

So you wasted everyone’s time calling an unnecessary ambulance and are now going to waste even more time and money with an unnecessary complaint. The NHS cannot function in a society when people are so entitled and unreasonable - OP’s family and their ilk are the reason it is effectively doomed.

OP says he was bullied into not signing the form and therefore going to hospital. He is an adult with agency. OP then says they would not send an ambulance if he rang later.

professionally they cannot deny to send an ambulance if it is called for in any case. They might be busy, it might take time but they will not refuse.
We only have the version from OP.
I would like to hear the paramedics side of this.

It’s frustrating but they just want to ensure they keep him alive. As others have said, families can be quick to point the finger if it all goes wrong so they will always be cautious. You can let the desk at A&E know that you feel better and will be leaving, he didn’t have to stay.

What's wrong with patients complaining to PALS? I thought that was a good thing about the NHS. Unlike the 10 hour wait to be seen.

Oh go on OP. Give us all a happy moment by copying us in on the wording of your complaint. Though to be fair, shouldn’t that be TWO complaints , one about the ambulance and the other about the hospital wait ?

If you were there why did you not say stop my father will sign the form and not go to hospital. Did you? They didn't because the paramedics said that if they did, they'd never send an ambulance again

If I was present with my father who was insisting that he didn’t want or need to go to hospital he wouldn’t have gone. Ultimately you can’t ever guarantee an ambulance even if you are having a heart attack so I would have stayed on standby to take him to hospital later should he deteriorate.

OP, why can't you drive or take a taxi if another ambulance does not come out in time? Your father knows his body.

Why come on here and ask for opinions and then disagree wiyh every one who disagrees with you? Ridiculous to state that paramedics have not heard of AF.
Agree that you sound very annoying

I believe OP is unreasonable.
I can only comment on what you have told us.
When the paramedics came to the door they could have sent them away but they did not.
paramedics have a professional registration and they must abide by their Code of Conduct.
Your father is an adult with agency and getting him to sign a disclaimer is correct in order to cover them.
He could have discharged himself at any time from the hospital but he did not.
The paramedics have a job to do and if this turned out differently would you still have this issue I think not.
The plan if the AF did not settle was to call 999 no doubt that was said to the paramedics and they were following that.
If you were there why did you not say stop my father will sign the form and not go to hospital. Did you?
Of course complain, but the paramedics did their job and they should be commended. Their records will be looked at as part of that complaint.
Sorry I entirely disagree with OP

TBH no, I don't

I am trying really hard to understand and sympathise.

However, my 50 year old husband recently died of a sudden heart attack.
Our young daughters will grow up without their dad.
I really don’t understand where your anger is coming from, be very grateful for your blessings

Never mind OP. You will know next time not to call an ambulance. On behalf of the people whose lives have been saved by getting access to emergency care via an already stretched ambulance service may I say thank you for your consideration.

This whole episode illustrates that a free health service is not appreciated.

Now if we had to return to the healthcare existing before WW2 and pay for everything and the poor who could not pay died. Read AJ Cronin, The Citadel for how hard fought to get the system only set up as a consequence of service men returning in 1945 and wanted a better life to justify their sacrifices.

The only way to recognise how lucky we are is to considerably increase taxation to the levels in Europe and Baltics, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Belgium, etc and then may be the free access will be appreciated

My MIL has been in and and out of hospital all her life, and she has discharged herself many, many times as usually she knows when she needs treatment and when she doesn't. She's not always right though as last time she discharged herself when she had sepsis 🙄

Just to help you, I’ll repeat some of the OPs posts again!!

They also made it sound like there wouldn’t be an ambulance later for him if needed.
and
Their insinuation was that a second ambulance wouldn’t be sent

Tells a different story to “they said they wouldn’t send one”, don’t you think?

Wow 🙄

I have re-read her posts. Not only she's said it, it's the whole point of the thread.

Obtuse??

Have you read the OPs posts? Or just the ones she said they wouldn’t send another ambulance? The story changed over the course of the thread…..

Do you just selectively read?

And if he was so sure he wasn’t going to have a heart attack, when they said (apparently) they categorically would not send another ambulance, didn’t he say that’s fine?

Honestly, these bloody NHS bashes, should just go privately and let us “worshippers” have even better treatment!

No she hasn’t. Re-read her posts 🙈

Your father could have chosen to sign the disclaimer. He didn’t so therefore he has to go to hospital. No one forced him - he’s just now moaning because he’s had to wait. As are you 🤷🏻‍♀️ I’d love to know verbatim what the paramedics says because with each of your tellings it gets worse 🙄

The OP has clearly said that the paramedics bullied him saying that they'd never sent an ambulance again unless he went to hospital. Are all NHS worshippers always this obtuse?

Exactly and at least an ambulance arrived and he was taken care of. Just because he had to wait in hospital (like most non urgent cases) apparently it's not acceptable.