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AIBU to refuse to intervene in a friend's job application?

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NotFeelingGuilty · 01/05/2026 14:51

I have name changed as this may be outing, but have been around for years.

I have a friend who I've known for about 10 years. We are not close but meet up every couple of months for coffee/lunch.

Her partner has been unemployed for a few months. I have been aware that she is stressing about finances and I have sympathy for her position. I have only met him a handful of times and not for many years. Anyway, around 3 weeks ago, he decided to apply for a job at a company that is well known to me, as I know the sector and am friendly with the CEO and a few of the other staff. Friend approached me for help.

I offered a lot of detailed advice based on my knowledge of how the company operates, what makes them tick etc. I also offered to read through the CV and covering letter before he submitted it, so that he could get some feedback. (Friend knows that I have done a lot of recruitment over the years.) He didn't take me up on the offer, which was fine...it was just an offer. He did later send me a copy of the letter that he had submitted, and it was clear that he had ignored most of the advice that I had given him. Again, that was fine - it was his application and he did it in the way that he saw fit. Totally fair enough.

He found out yesterday that he didn't get shortlisted for the job. Unsurprising, in my view, given the quality of his CV and the lack of tailoring in his covering letter, but obviously disappointing for him. I do understand that being unemployed is very stressful and that recruitment processes can be brutal.

However, my friend rang me yesterday and asked me to intervene with the hiring manager on his behalf to see if I could persuade them to offer him an interview. I refused, because it isn't my business to interfere in another company's recruitment process and there wasn't much evidence that he would be any good at the job in any case, so I was not really willing to put my own reputation on the line for someone who hadn't actually bothered to take advantage of the help that I had already freely offered.

Friend is furious with me and says that she feels really let down. She says that I know how anxious she has been about him being unemployed and thought that, as a friend, I would be happy to help.

From my perspective, I was happy to help, and he chose not to accept the help that was on offer. Which was fair enough, but surely it wasn't reasonable after that to come back expecting me to fix the problem?

I really don't think I have been unreasonable here, have I?

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ThisZanyPinkSquid · 05/05/2026 10:15

You did everything you could to give him the tools to shine in his CB…he chose not to take that advice on board 🤷🏼‍♀️

What’s that old saying…you can lead a horse to water 🤷🏼‍♀️

Imisssleep88 · 05/05/2026 00:42

You offered help, he declined, you done all you could. Like you say not your place to interfere in the recruitment of another company, and tbh even if it was the company you worked for, if you don't know the guy, why would you vouch for them, if they end up being rubbish you look an idiot!

Cyclebabble · 04/05/2026 19:59

No I would not consider doing this. Your reputation in the industry would suffer and it does not sound like he is going to be a great asset to the business which would further reflect badly on you.

NotFeelingGuilty · 04/05/2026 18:24

Darrara · 04/05/2026 16:09

Well, that’s a bit wet lettuce-y, OP. I’d point out, civilly, that you offered advice which was ignored, offered to read the application before it went in (an option which was no taken up), and that this was above and beyond already.

You're right, it was wet-lettucey, and I was kicking myself afterwards for not having been more assertive. I'm crap with any kind of conflict, and my default position is to go into apology-mode. I'm working on this!

I haven't had any further contact with my friend, but if she gets in touch again without an apology, I will definitely be better prepared to make my point next time.

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Brownbl · 04/05/2026 18:19

In my experience women that bend themselves out of shape trying to get lazy arses to work only burn bridges themselves.

I have known a few very nice women with lazy arsed sons that didn't want a job during college, arrange a job through a friend/contact, only for the sons to blow it up by not turning up and not caring.

I have several friends that have have said they will never entertain this again.

My own children got sought after part time jobs through friends, when they really wanted work/money, and it was made crystal clear to them just how lucky they were.....which they knew, as the hours/location, were great and worked for them in university.

They have worked hard for their employer and are taking the summer off to go abroad, and will have a job to return to during the next academic year, such is the effort they made to be valuable.

You cannot make a lazy arsed, of either sex, really want a job if they don't.

I wouldn't dream of risking MY reputation and goodwill with people by recommending anyone, unless I was 100% sure of their commitment.

OP has behaved impeccably throughout this.
In her place I would be letting things drift.

blueshoes · 04/05/2026 17:29

OP, you are right to ghost them from now on. They sound like they have issues between themselves and she sounds like a user and projecting her frustration at her DH onto you.

Jllllllll · 04/05/2026 17:14

Your are 100% NBU. You offered a lot of advice which he ignored. Tough!

whittingtonmum · 04/05/2026 16:32

Not unreasonable. You offered good advice and were ignored. What more do these people want?
I would stop those coffee/lunches.

canklesmctacotits · 04/05/2026 16:15

I have never gone out on a limb for a reference or a recommendation for anyone I don't know well, not least because I wouldn't know what to say! And I never would. Serves nobody's purpose in the long run.

If she's stressed I wouldn't necessarily let the friendship drift as let it slow down while her home life sorts itself out. I wouldn't be cross with her, I think. I'd probably assume she's under a lot of pressure, and whilst I wouldn't appreciate being spoken to the way you were I would let it slide and proceed more slowly and with caution. Sometimes people need understanding and a pass.

Darrara · 04/05/2026 16:09

auserna · 04/05/2026 15:45

He sounds like an arrogant idiot and she sounds totally bonkers.

And/or deluded about his capacities.

Darrara · 04/05/2026 16:09

NotFeelingGuilty · 01/05/2026 17:33

No, I didn't. To be honest, I was so taken aback by how upset she was that I didn't really know what to say. I think I ended up apologising for the fact that I couldn't do what she wanted me to do. Blush

Well, that’s a bit wet lettuce-y, OP. I’d point out, civilly, that you offered advice which was ignored, offered to read the application before it went in (an option which was no taken up), and that this was above and beyond already.

UnemployedNotRetired · 04/05/2026 15:49

Some people maybe get the idea that getting jobs is all about the connections rather than the application? I know if can work that way sometimes, but for lots of jobs that doesn't really come into it at the early stages.

auserna · 04/05/2026 15:45

He sounds like an arrogant idiot and she sounds totally bonkers.

FlapperFlamingo · 04/05/2026 15:18

I used to work somewhere a lot of people would also like to be. I think @WallaceinAnderland has worded it perfectly. That’s what I used to say too. It closes down the whole conversation.

NotFeelingGuilty · 04/05/2026 15:05

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 04/05/2026 14:46

I voted YANBU.

However, I do think YABU to even second guess yourself on something that would be peculiarly odd and unprofessional behaviour if you were to seek to intervene.

I also wonder if you were overstepping/oversharing in the information and advice you shared about another company gained in the course of your employment.

Sympathies though - no good deed goes unpunished !

I wasn't sharing anything that was confidential or inappropriate in any way - no trade secrets or insider information, just stuff about their values as company and insights into how they operate which could probably be found in the public domain if someone looked hard enough. I didn't ever work for the company so wasn't sharing info gained as an employee - I just know the sector and the company very well and also the CEO and other senior staff, so I know what makes them tick. I'm very confident that the CEO wouldn't have any objections to me sharing what I shared.

But you're probably right that I was BU to second guess myself about whether zi was BU. I was just so taken aback by the strength of her reaction that it made me doubt myself!

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LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 04/05/2026 14:48

You’ve provided help which he chose not to take. Speaking to the hiring party is not appropriate and shouldn’t be expected from you. you’ve supported to the point you can and the rest is on him.

you should explain to your friend that he ignored your advice as it might be helpful for her to then see where he is going wrong and help him.

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 04/05/2026 14:46

NotFeelingGuilty · 04/05/2026 13:50

Thank you all for your comments, which have definitely reassured me that my stance wasn't unreasonable.

@Brownbl I think you may be on to something with the suggestion that she may feel like the parent in the relationship. Which must be a miserable place to be, but that's really between her and her partner.

I voted YANBU.

However, I do think YABU to even second guess yourself on something that would be peculiarly odd and unprofessional behaviour if you were to seek to intervene.

I also wonder if you were overstepping/oversharing in the information and advice you shared about another company gained in the course of your employment.

Sympathies though - no good deed goes unpunished !

Thefastandthecurious5 · 04/05/2026 14:16

hcee19 · 02/05/2026 22:10

Tell your friend you tried but wastold the position has been filled

I would recommend against doing this, because I think that risks the friend continually asking when the role is likely to be vacant. I wouldn’t leave things open to the friend asking for future help.

Catdoorman · 04/05/2026 14:14

You were very kind to offer your expertise, I wish I had a friend like you. I would point out that you did offer help where you reasonably could, but it was declined, and to intervene in any further capacity would be an imposition on your part and reflect very badly on your professional standing.

NotFeelingGuilty · 04/05/2026 13:50

Thank you all for your comments, which have definitely reassured me that my stance wasn't unreasonable.

@Brownbl I think you may be on to something with the suggestion that she may feel like the parent in the relationship. Which must be a miserable place to be, but that's really between her and her partner.

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FeelingALittleWoozyHere · 04/05/2026 13:39

This is really uncomfortable OP and sorry your friend is being so unreasonable. You have already done plenty

Brownbl · 04/05/2026 13:34

CrotchetyQuaver · 03/05/2026 11:32

She's so stressed because he's unemployed she's not being rational. I was in this situation a few times and frankly you get so worried about money and when he will get a new job (after it's gone on for months) you start to lose the plot.
tell your friend what you've written here, you gave strong advice, he chose not to apply any of it to his application, he didn't get the job and repeat ad infinitum. Of course you can't intervene now and speak up for him!

This particularly happens to women that are the parent in the relationship, the one who feels responsible for everything.
An awful place to be.

CrotchetyQuaver · 03/05/2026 11:32

She's so stressed because he's unemployed she's not being rational. I was in this situation a few times and frankly you get so worried about money and when he will get a new job (after it's gone on for months) you start to lose the plot.
tell your friend what you've written here, you gave strong advice, he chose not to apply any of it to his application, he didn't get the job and repeat ad infinitum. Of course you can't intervene now and speak up for him!

sabbii · 03/05/2026 10:18

NoCommentingFromNowOn · 01/05/2026 14:57

You did help and you did offer advice. He chose not to take you up on that 🤷‍♀️.

If in any job application I had access to your kind of help and tips I would be ecstatic and super grateful. Only a complete selfish idiot who thinks they know better would turn down a potential gold mine.
Tough kitties now, there is no way back for him, needs to be able to take constructive comments on board

Calendulaaria · 02/05/2026 23:21

She's annoyed and panicking as her partner is a useless moron and is taking it out on you.

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