Completely outrageous dog owner behaviour

So sorry you had to endure this OP - sending you hugs #firstworldproblems

Never had a dog myself am indifferent really but think I would find it extremely stressful stopping something I was responsible for pissing off other people. It seems a really big responsibility to me.

One jumped up at me on a walk and covered me in mud. I didn’t hit it but was cross. The owner just said “he never does that” 🙄. Err well he just did in front of both of us! Think if it had been me I would have apologised and offered to pay for cleaning but many owners seem to be weirdly defensive and quite aggressive when called out on what their dogs do.

So sorry you had to endure this OP - sending you hugs #firstworldproblems

I saw a post on here once that made me laugh and then made me actually think.

Next time they say he's only being friendly/saying hello go up to the owner and give them a big hug while saying I'm only being friendly. They'll be horrified and if they see you again they will grab their dog and run in the opposite direction. Far better than kicking (out) at a dog which puts you at risk.

Look up if calling someones opinion nonsense can be seen as a insult. Also note I used the word attempt as you were not successful.

Your view is that the OP was justified. I disagree from the information the OP has given us.

I did not state that there is never a time to kick a dog however I do not agree this was a time where it should have been done.

I do not believe that the OP was "acting in selfdefense" as neither of us where there to see the interaction and we only have ops view of the situation hence, neither of us can know for certain. We can each have our view but unless someone who didnt know the dog owner or the op comes forward to explain what they saw -and what type of dog it was - neither of us can know for sure. We can each have our view and opinion and ours differ.

We can have different views on a situation thats not the issue. However you are putting words in my writing I did not say. Appearing to read my words in an attempt to make your view seem stronger. (Note the word appearing here as I acknowledge that may not be your intention it is how I read you misreading my words)

As I stated before. I believe the OP escalated the situation by her choice of words.

I believe she was wrong in kicking out at the dog
I do not agree she was acting in self defence

You do not have to agree with me. I dont care if you do. However if going forward if you can argue your point of view without attempting to insult the opponent and without claiming they said things they did not. Your opinion will come across much stronger.

This will be my last response to your comments on my view here as you will not change mine and in truth I dont care enough to attempt to change yours. Im ok with us having different views.

I'm sticking with my original view that everybody sucks here. Op and dog owner.

Where's the insult?

The OP was fine to kick the dog in self defence. She'd said no and the dog wouldn't go away, so she forced the issue. The owner should have been close enough or have good enough recall to get the dog away after the first no.

Read what I said. I said there was no excuse for the OP to kick at the dog

Try arguing your view without attempting to insult the opposition.

I haven't insulted you.

Legally, the excuse is self defence. Your belief that there is no excuse to kick a dog is incorrect. The legal defence of self defence can apply when a person acts to prevent a crime or defend their property. The legal excuse of self defence applies to attacks by dogs as well as humans.

Long story short: it's perfectly reasonable to kick a dog that jumps on you.

Read what I said. I said there was no excuse for the OP to kick at the dog

Try arguing your view without attempting to insult the opposition.

Yeah, don’t kick a dog please. Have words with the owner. Apart from any other considerations, kicking a dog is asking for a bite

No. The fact that I understand what you're trying to say doesn't mean it isn't nonsensical.

It's not unreasonable to kick a dog if the dog is posing a threat.

You can say whatever you want about what would be the best thing to say in that situation, but it's irrelevant. When people are put in crisis situations they say and do whatever first comes to mind. It's entirely reasonable to shout and kick when confronted by a dog that jumps on you.

However there is no excuse for the op to kick at the dog

Really? Do you really believe there is never an excuse for a person to kick a dog?

Considering the fact you understood it all it is clearly not nonsense. Just you disagree with it. I stand by my opinion.

A dog being kicked at is unreasonable and op should not be kicking at the dog.

Look at what op said..

Dog comes running up to me, leaps up and covers my trousers with his muddy paws. This annoys me and I tell the owner to control her animal.

That is not a dog out of control its a dog annoying the op. And thats fine however when op then immediately goes to "control your animal" that is escalating the situation. Had she gone down the route of. Please could you move him away .. she would have likely got a quicker response. I am not saying the dog owner did good. However there is no excuse for the op to kick at the dog.

Both op and dog owner are unreasonable.

Sorry about your dog but that is a twatty retort.

Even when I had my own little terrier I managed to go about my business not covered in mud, hair and dribble.

I thought that was normal until I came on Mumsnet and met all the anti dog people. Who ARE all these people who can't seem to walk down the street without finding themselves in a 'galloping' pool of drool and dander.

The dog was either sent by the owner to do this on purpose, doing exactly what the owner wanted in the way they wanted. Or the dog was completely out of control. Pick one.

I live by the sea too and walk on the seafront and beach every day.
My dog sadly died and I am very pleased to see dogs out and about.
Rarely though does one want to give me the time of day, they're normally busy with their own stuff going on - balls, sticks, playing with other dogs and their owners or in the sea.
I would love to know how all the " I am often bothered by dogs off their leads coming up and sniffing me, running round my ankles" people attract the dogs so effectively as I'd love to be able to do that so I can give them a tickle.

If she assaulted you OP you should have called the police and told her that she shoved you when you kicked out at her dog.

The dog owner should have moved her dog
However instead of going directly to the very confronting "control your dog" op should have said something like. Could you please take him away from me. And after the suposed "only playing comment" -I say suposed as I have been a dog owner for 7 years and not once have I heard another dog owner say this if their dog jumped up"
Then go more firm however I would still not go to control your dog. More like "get him away from me now"

Kicking "out at" the dog is where the op is utterly unreasonable as she may have been lucky to not kick the dog however had she done so it could have caused a lot of pain to a defenseless animal.

Her points of "didn't kick him" no but you intended to when you kicked out towards him -you got lucky by not making contact.
And the point that we would not do so if it was our husbands.
Well for most of us our husbands/partners are not defenceless and I promise you op if you had "kicked out at" one of my children when they were young and defencelsss I would have stopped you. As it was my job to protect them. I won't say I would have showed you as it would depend on the situation but had you laid hand on my child I absolutely would have put myself between you and pushed you away from my child and that would not have been asault it would have been resonable force.

In short op needs to learn how to communicate her wishes for dogs to not be near her in a different way and the dog owner needs to train her dog to not jump up and move her dog away when people don't like them close.

Oh and I voted YABU as kicking out at a defencelss animal when you are inconvenienced is not ok and that shows op in a poor light.
This does not mean I feel it is ok for a dog to jump up or for the owner to not move the dog away. However op escalated with her choice of words and her intention to harm the animal.
I draw a hard line towards abuse of animals and kicking out at the animal is intention to harm.

However for this voting we need an everybody sucks option

The dog was either sent by the owner to do this on purpose, doing exactly what the owner wanted in the way they wanted. Or the dog was completely out of control. Pick one.

Considering the fact you understood it all it is clearly not nonsense. Just you disagree with it. I stand by my opinion.

A dog being kicked at is unreasonable and op should not be kicking at the dog.

Look at what op said..

Dog comes running up to me, leaps up and covers my trousers with his muddy paws. This annoys me and I tell the owner to control her animal.

That is not a dog out of control its a dog annoying the op. And thats fine however when op then immediately goes to "control your animal" that is escalating the situation. Had she gone down the route of. Please could you move him away .. she would have likely got a quicker response. I am not saying the dog owner did good. However there is no excuse for the op to kick at the dog.

Both op and dog owner are unreasonable.