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AIBU to want politicians with strong academic and business backgrounds?

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Catsandjkr · 30/04/2026 12:33

AIBU to want politicans to be highly academically successful And have experience in running a business?

I'm so tired of these low grade politicians ruining our lives. They can lie (as Starmer exempifies), they don't need qualifications or experience to get the job. In inexplicable in other areas of life.

What a joke. But I suppose when its politicans like Lammy, Starmer, Reeves in charge, it won't ever change.

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HoskinsChoice · 30/04/2026 18:20

Arlanymor · 30/04/2026 12:49

So SAHMs shouldn't be permitted to stand for election? Right...

Of course she can stand... but if anyone votes for them, they want their head testing! If a woman doesn't feel capable of balancing a job with childcare how on earth are they going to run multi multi billion pound budgets whilst looking after 60million people?

ErrolTheDragon · 30/04/2026 17:54

JustSaying10 · 30/04/2026 17:09

More scientists and engineers.

Yes…
the problem is, most good scientists and engineers really want to be scientists and engineers not politicians. And tbh IME they’re not always ‘politically astute’. It’s one reason why our House of Lords is valuable as it can recruit experts later in their careers. I’ve heard it described as an institution which works much better in practice than in theory!

chocolateaddictions · 30/04/2026 17:47

Keir Starmer, Boris Johnson and David Cameron are all objectively academically successful. They’ve done more damage to this country than we could possibly have imagined.

Donald Trump is a successful businessman - would you want someone like him as PM?

CurlewKate · 30/04/2026 17:27

Pay MPs more and stop them having side hussles.

LassiKopiano24 · 30/04/2026 17:09

Catsandjkr · 30/04/2026 16:36

That's a business - I think Joe would know a lot about small businesses. So wouldn't make stupid decisions like we see currently. Reeves has broken many small businesses and taken employment away from many. Dreadful.

I didn’t say it wasn’t a business?

JustSaying10 · 30/04/2026 17:09

More scientists and engineers.

Arlanymor · 30/04/2026 16:59

ThePeewit · 30/04/2026 15:21

It's pretty rare for someone to have completed education and moved straight into being a SAHM without ever doing a day's work. Perhaps someone very young on benefits or very wealthy with a trust fund?

But no, I think some life skills are necessary, parenting isn't enough on it's own.

And your evidence for this is...? And parents don't have other Iife skills?

RRAaaaargh · 30/04/2026 16:58

Catsandjkr · 30/04/2026 13:32

That's true. Why be a politician in that case. Explains the desert we currently have.

All of this is true, but what's worse I think is the life that now comes with being an MP, especially the risk to personal safety and necessity of having security at your home and office. Be an MP, earn (relative) peanuts, have people shouting abuse at you in the street and have security alarms throughout your home so that your children can raise the alarm when someone breaks and murders you, or earn 10 times as much in privacy and safety? Amazed anyone does it and I take my hat off to them for that, even the crap ones.

ilovesooty · 30/04/2026 16:55

CoffeeCantata · 30/04/2026 16:52

I want MPs who've lived and achieved in the real world, not 25 year old Oxbridge graduates with a degree in PPE and an employment record of being a Parliamentary Researcher or similar.

MPs used to be doctors, lawyers, trades union officials, postmen, businessmen, farmers, miners, steel workers, soldiers etc. They had risen in their sphere through their abilities and brought a range of skills and experience to the job of MP. They had credibility and mostly a genuine mission to serve.

Move Parliament to Birmingham - then you'd get MPs who really want to serve their constituents, and not just people who want to swan around Westminster felling glamorous!!!

We certainly used to have a greater range of MP life experience years ago. I'd be interested to know how many lucrative second jobs were done by MPs in days gone by too.

CoffeeCantata · 30/04/2026 16:52

I want MPs who've lived and achieved in the real world, not 25 year old Oxbridge graduates with a degree in PPE and an employment record of being a Parliamentary Researcher or similar.

MPs used to be doctors, lawyers, trades union officials, postmen, businessmen, farmers, miners, steel workers, soldiers etc. They had risen in their sphere through their abilities and brought a range of skills and experience to the job of MP. They had credibility and mostly a genuine mission to serve.

Move Parliament to Birmingham - then you'd get MPs who really want to serve their constituents, and not just people who want to swan around Westminster felling glamorous!!!

jumpingjohnny · 30/04/2026 16:51

Catsandjkr · 30/04/2026 16:37

Indeed. We have a party and PM in charge who don't understand basic biology. Indeed Lammy thinks women who do are rights hoarding dinosaurs. Starmer thinks women can have penises. Mind boggling.

Who was in charge when self-ID was brought in? 🤔

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 30/04/2026 16:47

Yes to academic success, not so much to business ... need a mix, people who have worked in health abd care, business, academia, law etc et

Catsandjkr · 30/04/2026 16:42

ParmaVioletTea · 30/04/2026 15:00

Starmer has high academic qualifications, as does Lammy. Your post doesn't make sense, YABU.

You should listen to/read the journalist Tom Baldwin on Starmer, in this podcast (free) or in the weekly newspaper, The New World

https://www.thenewworld.co.uk/podcast/the-starmer-conundrum-with-special-guest-tom-baldwin/

To paraphrase Baldwin (who knows Starmer well, as he wrote a biography of Starmer), Keir Starmer is the nearest to "an ordinary person" it is possible to be in the post of Prime Minister. And look what he has to deal with ...

You didn't read my post properly did you.

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Catsandjkr · 30/04/2026 16:38

momtoboys · 30/04/2026 16:36

At this point I would be satisfied if they are not a felon and they can form a coherent sentence. I have really lowered my standards.

Well indeed. We have bad and then we have very bad. None appeal.

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Catsandjkr · 30/04/2026 16:37

Abitofalark · 30/04/2026 16:13

And Ed Davey, current leader of the LibDems, is another one: two economics degrees but doesn't know what a woman is and neither does his party.

Indeed. We have a party and PM in charge who don't understand basic biology. Indeed Lammy thinks women who do are rights hoarding dinosaurs. Starmer thinks women can have penises. Mind boggling.

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momtoboys · 30/04/2026 16:36

At this point I would be satisfied if they are not a felon and they can form a coherent sentence. I have really lowered my standards.

Catsandjkr · 30/04/2026 16:36

LassiKopiano24 · 30/04/2026 16:20

Would rather have politicians who can relate to normal everyday working people.

The politicians who grew up rich, private schools, Eaton crew have no idea what it’s like to have a “normal life” yes they can experience tough times, but they don’t know what its like to live pay cheque to pay cheque or worry about energy or food costs, paying for the dentist etc etc most of them simply cannot relate.

Would rather have Joe Bloggs who has run the newsagents for 20 years, who see’s people in the community day in day out and genuinely cares about people.

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That's a business - I think Joe would know a lot about small businesses. So wouldn't make stupid decisions like we see currently. Reeves has broken many small businesses and taken employment away from many. Dreadful.

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Catsandjkr · 30/04/2026 16:34

Badbadbunny · 30/04/2026 15:33

But when it's run by people who are financially innumerate and financially illiterate, there's no money to pay for the public services needed. We need a balance.

A good start would be only appointing someone with a legal qualification as attorney general, someone with an accounting/financial qualification as Chancellor, someone who has been a teacher or otherwise employed in education as education secretary etc. That way, at least the people responsible for each department have some relevant knowledge and experience of their remit so can challenge their permanent secretaries and maybe even come up with some sensible ideas of their own!

Agreed. Gove in charge of Education was painful. Though Reeves is supposedly an Economist and erm well.. it's not quite working out the way it should.

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Catsandjkr · 30/04/2026 16:32

ilovesooty · 30/04/2026 13:49

If you think it's simply about disagreement I'll leave you to your overly simplistic interpretation. I certainly can't be bothered to waste my time explaining to you.

Are you still responding, I'm sure you said you'd stop a few responses back.

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DeftGoldHedgehog · 30/04/2026 16:23

TheGrimSmile · 30/04/2026 16:14

I dont want "business" people running the country, no. I want people who have expertise in their field. Education minister - long career in teaching/ education. Health minister- experience within the NHS etc Why on earth should "business" people make decisions about everything?

The trouble is (small) business people don't run the country, but actually employ most of it, it's largely people - in terms of civil servants and politicians - who have done a Politics, Philosophy and Economics degree and then gone straight into politics or the civil service and have a sheltered and narrow view of life. They sometimes don't understand profit and loss and are pretty blasé with public money.

Big corporations, banks, big media companies have huge power over politicians but SMEs have a lot less influence and are often disadvantaged by government policy, as they think "business" means Amazon and Sky, big banks, law firms, accountancy firms and not the SMEs who employ 60% of working people in the private sector.

LassiKopiano24 · 30/04/2026 16:20

Would rather have politicians who can relate to normal everyday working people.

The politicians who grew up rich, private schools, Eaton crew have no idea what it’s like to have a “normal life” yes they can experience tough times, but they don’t know what its like to live pay cheque to pay cheque or worry about energy or food costs, paying for the dentist etc etc most of them simply cannot relate.

Would rather have Joe Bloggs who has run the newsagents for 20 years, who see’s people in the community day in day out and genuinely cares about people.

TheGrimSmile · 30/04/2026 16:14

I dont want "business" people running the country, no. I want people who have expertise in their field. Education minister - long career in teaching/ education. Health minister- experience within the NHS etc Why on earth should "business" people make decisions about everything?

DeftGoldHedgehog · 30/04/2026 16:14

I'd like a variety of people, certainly those who have run businesses and local councils, academic success is neither here nor there. I'd like people who didn't get on with school but did well in life anyway and/or who would value further education and vocational qualifications and training a lot more.

Abitofalark · 30/04/2026 16:13

toomuchfaff · 30/04/2026 12:43

AIBU to want politicans to be highly academically successful And have experience in running a business?
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I'm so tired of these low grade politicians ruining our lives. ...But I suppose when its politicans like Lammy, Starmer, Reeves in charge, it won't ever change.

Rachel Reeves, the UK's first female Chancellor of the Exchequer, holds a BA in Philosophy, Politics, and Economics (PPE) from Oxford University and a Master's degree in Economics from the London School of Economics. She worked as an economist at the Bank of England and British Embassy in Washington.

Again.. Reeves is highly academic and success in their career prior to Government. Your fundamental AIBU argument is flawed. So yes YABU

And Ed Davey, current leader of the LibDems, is another one: two economics degrees but doesn't know what a woman is and neither does his party.

GreenGrass555 · 30/04/2026 16:12

VeryQuaintIrene · 30/04/2026 14:38

I'd rather have some politicians whose lives more closely resembled the lives of most people in this country. The hordes that have followed that golden PPE Oxbridge to advisor to politician to MP route are extraordinarily out of touch with so many people's lives and I think it's been very damaging. (And I say that as an Ox graduate myself who was at college with a lot of these 2nd-raters.)

The thing is, a lot of the of the current Labour Cabinet both a) genuinely come from fairly average working-class backgrounds and b) were the kind of academically able, politically interested young people who made it elite universities, where they got involved in politics and moved into politics-adjacent jobs.

So they actually do have early life experience of ordinary people's lives, and presumably maintain contact with childhood friends and extended family still living those kinds of lives, but they moved on from them by going to university.

I'm not saying this is good or bad - and there are exceptions, like Angela Rayner who was a care worker - but it makes them quite unrelatable to most people, because most people are not academic high-flyers who've experienced that kind of social mobility through education.