Shocking Britain

The denial is awful, makes you feel like you're screaming into the void. Privileged people refusing to believe what others are living on a day to day basis. I'm finding it easier since I found other realists in my personal life who are honest & don't value "being kind" over the safety & quality of life of others. These fools have no idea what will be coming to a leafy suburb near them & their children soon. Police & councils have completely lost control.

Yet if some call to order was to be made. The Gangs suddenly be turned into victims by the gullible and the political opponents to score some points. Part of the issue is Sadiq Khan who is shield behind his origin and background, a tactic of the left to get away with their agenda. In short the country is done.

I'm a retired public sector worker, I'm sorry to say but myself and colleagues were often treated with aggression by customers. We were seen as fair game by them. Unfortunately, I think it's endemic in society that a number of people now think they have rights to anything. Saying no to them, because legislation or policy doesn't permit what they want, is like a red rag to a bull. They don't understand the process of any decision made about their request, don't want to and don't see that behaving aggressively isn't going to change minds.
We have been spat at, had chairs thrown at us, a colleague was nearly strangled by his tie when a customer pulled on it. I had to be escorted home from work one night due to threats. Some people are just angry most of the time. And that's not even organised crime, that's just Joe Bloggs , a perfectly ordinary person.

Yes, we're really on a downward spiral. We're a very uncohesive society so unlike countries like Japan we can't rely on social norms to encourage people to behave well. We're also a very soft touch society. This is a disastrous combination.

We need to match our law enforcement and criminal justice systems to the reality of what's happening. We weren't always this weak and pathetic.

When you drive without insurance your car can be crushed. We just need a law saying if a property is used for any money laundering then it’s confiscated by the state. They shouldn’t be free to reopen.

Yes I don’t think the consequences here are serious enough to scare the criminals.

Illegal vapes and nangs are an issue in my country too.

The recently Police conducted raids across my city.

There is a bigger issue in the UK with politicians and police being unable or unwilling to deal with these issues. They could conduct raids and deport those found guilty of selling and seize their assets and sell them with money recovered to the government.

In my country if you’re found guilty of selling drugs the DPP will order all your assets to be sold. You essentially lose everything.

Yes, I think the fact that all this is happening in neighbourhoods far away from the people in power, people in the media etc has meant it's been easy to ignore and pretend everything's fine.

Now the unpleasantness is spreading, it's affecting more people, even the rich are having their fancy watches ripped from their wrists. We've got to wake up, start getting tough and ditch all the weakness and complacency.

How does that stop anything? They just move to different modalities.

We had the same a few miles away from where I live. Openly fighting in the street with machetes when people were trying to go about their business. Everyone knows that you can get drugs from all of these places and when I’ve said this before on here I’ve been accused of lying and being racist. It must be lovely to live in an area where these places don’t exist so you don’t believe anywhere else has huge problems with them.

And all these shops, barbers etc are staffed by doctors. engineers etc.
We have a Turkish barber in our town, he has been here for at least 20 years and he is fed up with the other dozen or so "Turkish barbers" in the town. Not one member of staff in any of them can speak Turkish, they are all Syrian and Afghani.
These shops need eradicating.

The city where I used to work was shocking for this. There were machete incidents regularly where rival gangs (usually Pakistani vs Slovak) fought over control.

Oh and these shops are in areas where I would not take my phone out.

You’ve missed the point as I was replying to Corlan not yourself, I’m not saying money launderers aren’t an issue.

You’re just stirring up thinly veiled race hate and again @mumsnet seems to allow this sentiment in this tinderbox society.

Not everyone can use trusted local
shops.

When I travel I might need to buy a drink and something to eat in a dodgy place simply because there no other shops available. Cash only on such occasions.

I think with the barbers shops people pay the shop to sponsor them for a skilled worker visa then after 5 years they can get leave to remain, open their own shop and in turn receive money from people to sponsor them to come to Britain.

Barber has now been taken off the skilled worker visa list I believe so these shops may close over time. The paying for a visa to come to Britain scam will have to pivot perhaps to sham care agencies or whatever else offers sponsorship visas.

Car washes
Nail bars
Vape shops
barbers

All fronts for money laundering! And goodness knows what else.

I'm not sure where you got that from. I didn't say they shrug their shoulders nor did I say they've given up. I said they can't keep up, they try but are always far behind the gangs.

The police are on a very tight budget, the gangs make millions from drug money and trafficking. It's not a level playing field.

@angelos02what has?

It’s like those big American candy shops with no customers ever.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg5q92npm64o

It's very obvious which shops are fronts. Maybe you're lucky enough not to live in an area it's affected - I'm not