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AIBU to be angry my sister will not keep our niece?

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Sharktale2020 · 27/04/2026 20:30

I am so upset and angry with my sister but unsure if I have the right to be.
Our niece(a well behaved 14 year old) was removed by social services from her dads and is not able to return back.
She has been staying at my sisters(her aunties)but my sister is adamant that when the next review is up she can no longer keep her.
The truth is she doesn't want to in case it impacts on her many holidays and going out(she is in her 40s)
When I challenged her on why she just comes up with the most ridiculous excuses.
She has a spare bedroom and the means to give her a goodish life(considering what the poor girl has been through)
I have offered to do all I can -get bunk beds and have her every weekend but she still refuses.
I have volunteered to have her at mine despite having no room(she would have to share while we either put up a petition wall causing minimal space and we would be over crowded)
While this is being done she would have to go into care as my sister is counting down the days until our nieces time is up at hers and won't keep her a minute longer.
She has 4 people in her house who all drive and could help out-no young children.
My husband and I have our nieces sister living with us-a hyper active 6 year old who we have had since birth.
We love her dearly but life is hard and we get no help.
The irony is my sister considers herself to be a Christian woman!
Maybe it's me and people don't help each other any more but I can't think of any one who would see their niece go into care when they could prevent it without it dramatically affecting their life.
She knows how hard it is for us as a family and she really doesn't care.
How can someone have such a cold heart?
And to top it all she has told my niece she will like being in care as she will have her own bedroom and get taken out!!
No mention that it's likely she will be shipped around and gave to change schools.
The poor girl is going through enough.

OP posts:
ForeverTheOptomist · 28/04/2026 01:03

Hey, you lot upthread. Have you stopped arguing? You're giving me a headache.

ThePieceHall · 28/04/2026 00:52

Brambel · 28/04/2026 00:29

I feel social services may give you money for an extension if that’s possible? Do you own your house OP? Obviously the partition could be used in the meantime but in the long term if you need an additional room and it saves them from having to find another foster care placement I think it’s something they’d do.

I Worked for social services until around 2015 and I am pretty sure kinship care placements costs them less so they’d be keen to facilitate that. I assume social services are involved right with the 6 year old right and you get paid as a kinship carer?

And the Tooth Fairy is real. It’s more than a decade since you worked in children’s services. Even a Labour government is harming the rights of society’s most vulnerable children. There is about as much chance of my AD2 getting dressed for school without any drama in the morning as there is of the OP’s LA funding an extension. So much BS on these threads. Just nope. The LA will emotionally blackmail the teen’s aunt to accommodate her but will not offer any meaningful support. Ditto the OP.

ForCosyLion · 28/04/2026 00:45

DisappointedofMeryton · 28/04/2026 00:28

You have attacked people on your assumption that they only care about their own DNA. You are married to a man who wouldn't take in his own vulnerable sister. Have a think about why some people would be hesitant to take on the responsibility for a blood relative.

Yeah, because the vulnerable sister had a much better option in the form of a 2-bed flat in a nice area with all her bills paid, because husband has a v wealthy brother. A room for her and a spare room for her daughter in the holidays. Much nicer for her than being in the spare room of our own home, which is only a 2-bed flat itself. But if she hadn't had better options, she would have come with us. The other alternative (due to her issues) would have been that she ended up on the streets, which we would never have let happen. I know most on this thread would have, though.

ForCosyLion · 28/04/2026 00:41

Florally · 27/04/2026 23:40

ForCosyLion posts should be disregarded OP… apologies and appreciate the huge seriousness of your situation. Sometimes we get drunks on these late night posts ❤️

Actually, I don't drink. And I'm just about to go into a union meeting. (I don't live in the UK right now.)

LancashireButterPie · 28/04/2026 00:41

ForCosyLion · 28/04/2026 00:05

Be pissed off at the facts, not at the people taking the facts into account. Stats show that abuse is rife in the care system. The fact that it's not everyone doesn't mean it's not rife.

No, The facts are that children are far more likely to be abused in a family environment than in a care environment.
Google it.
You might not like that, but it's true.
The vast majority of professional foster carers are doing a brilliant job.
A 14 year old, who can largely advocate for herself and who is already saying that the most important thing to her is that she has her own room, would probably do much better in a professional, calm foster placement than in a chaotic house with the OP, or with her other aunt who doesn't even want her there.
Let's not forget that pretty much all kids in foster placements have already been neglected or abused by their families. That's why they need fostering in the first place.

Brambel · 28/04/2026 00:29

I feel social services may give you money for an extension if that’s possible? Do you own your house OP? Obviously the partition could be used in the meantime but in the long term if you need an additional room and it saves them from having to find another foster care placement I think it’s something they’d do.

I Worked for social services until around 2015 and I am pretty sure kinship care placements costs them less so they’d be keen to facilitate that. I assume social services are involved right with the 6 year old right and you get paid as a kinship carer?

DisappointedofMeryton · 28/04/2026 00:28

ForCosyLion · 28/04/2026 00:21

I am not saying that people are awful for not adopting someone from the system. I'm saying that I'm appalled that someone would let their own niece go into the system. I love my nieces. I'm sorry that so many don't love theirs.

You have attacked people on your assumption that they only care about their own DNA. You are married to a man who wouldn't take in his own vulnerable sister. Have a think about why some people would be hesitant to take on the responsibility for a blood relative.

ForCosyLion · 28/04/2026 00:27

DisappointedofMeryton · 28/04/2026 00:24

But you didn't take her in because your husband wouldn't allow it - exactly what you attacked another poster for who said her marriage wouldn't survive a fostering arrangement.

All you know is hypotheticals. When it came to the crunch, you did not take in a vulnerable female relative or her child. You offered her alternative support, which is also something other posters are suggesting in the OP's case, and you are attacking them for that suggestion.

As I've said, we could not take in our niece because she's a citizen of another country. And the mother herself was much happier being set up in her own home - a 2-bed flat in a nice area - by the wealthy older brother and having her bills paid than living with us. The mother is 16 years older than my husband. She had a spare room for her daughter to go and stay with her in the holidays, so their mother-daughter relationship was facilitated but the niece was able to have her own life and get space from her mother.

DisappointedofMeryton · 28/04/2026 00:24

ForCosyLion · 28/04/2026 00:18

I offered to take in the troubled mother of my niece-by-marriage. (Niece herself was a citizen of another country.)

My point is, I KNOW, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that I would never let a nibling or cousin or any member of my extended family go into care. I would have them.

But you didn't take her in because your husband wouldn't allow it - exactly what you attacked another poster for who said her marriage wouldn't survive a fostering arrangement.

All you know is hypotheticals. When it came to the crunch, you did not take in a vulnerable female relative or her child. You offered her alternative support, which is also something other posters are suggesting in the OP's case, and you are attacking them for that suggestion.

ForCosyLion · 28/04/2026 00:23

Birdsongisangry · 28/04/2026 00:17

Your posts are so clear as mud, but perhaps you should have thrown your money at CFAB, as children can and are fostered internationally with relatives if there is a need.

CFAB would have had her in the system. Luckily we had enough money (just about) to make her airforce dreams come true.

ForCosyLion · 28/04/2026 00:21

DisappointedofMeryton · 27/04/2026 23:53

You were never in a position where you had to make the choice to take in your nieces and never will be. Yet you are attacking posters who in fact have adopted children who are "not their own progeny" and who have experience of the many complications of fostering and kinship care. Your posts are pure hypocrisy. If you really cared that much, you'd look beyond your own family and foster a girl in the system who needs you. But you won't.

I am not saying that people are awful for not adopting someone from the system. I'm saying that I'm appalled that someone would let their own niece go into the system. I love my nieces. I'm sorry that so many don't love theirs.

ForCosyLion · 28/04/2026 00:18

DisappointedofMeryton · 27/04/2026 23:53

You were never in a position where you had to make the choice to take in your nieces and never will be. Yet you are attacking posters who in fact have adopted children who are "not their own progeny" and who have experience of the many complications of fostering and kinship care. Your posts are pure hypocrisy. If you really cared that much, you'd look beyond your own family and foster a girl in the system who needs you. But you won't.

I offered to take in the troubled mother of my niece-by-marriage. (Niece herself was a citizen of another country.)

My point is, I KNOW, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that I would never let a nibling or cousin or any member of my extended family go into care. I would have them.

Birdsongisangry · 28/04/2026 00:17

ForCosyLion · 28/04/2026 00:14

her troubled mother lives in the UK and I offered to have her live with us, but my husband (whose sister it is) said no. Instead, his older brother, who is very wealthy, bought the mother a flat and paid her bills.

This is the MOTHER, not the daughter. The daughter (our niece) is a citizen of another country.

Your posts are so clear as mud, but perhaps you should have thrown your money at CFAB, as children can and are fostered internationally with relatives if there is a need.

ForCosyLion · 28/04/2026 00:15

momtoboys · 27/04/2026 23:52

Over my dead body would my niece or nephew go into care. I find it unbelievable that anyone who is not living on the streets would turn a family member out like that. I would find a way.

One hundred percent.

ForCosyLion · 28/04/2026 00:14

Birdsongisangry · 28/04/2026 00:10

You sent her away and refused to house her because your husband said no. In your own words, heartless, cold, disgusting cruel behaviour of which you should be ashamed. Your words not mine.

her troubled mother lives in the UK and I offered to have her live with us, but my husband (whose sister it is) said no. Instead, his older brother, who is very wealthy, bought the mother a flat and paid her bills.

This is the MOTHER, not the daughter. The daughter (our niece) is a citizen of another country.

Arrowthroughtheknee · 28/04/2026 00:13

ForCosyLion · 28/04/2026 00:03

I notice the insults began when I asked how people would feel if they died and their own kids were turned over to the care system instead of living with a sibling.

Finding the mirror uncomfortable, are we?

Edited

Are you not aware that there are other options?

ForCosyLion · 28/04/2026 00:12

Birdsongisangry · 28/04/2026 00:04

Oh Christ, I've heard it all now.
'i safeguarded our family member by agreeing with my husband when he refused to house her and sent her away to military school while our excessively wealthy family threw money at the situation instead'
Military school, those well known academies of nurturing, love and support... Definitely trolling (and yes I've reported not just troll hunting)

NO, he refused to house the MOTHER. Do read properly! The niece was (is) a citizen of another country, or we'd have had her. She ASKED to go to military school because it was her lifelong dream to be in the air force, hence today she's 32 and has been happily in the airforce since leaving uni. She could easily have attended a regular boarding school. It would never have occurred to me in a month of Sundays to send her to a military school if she hadn't asked. And it had to be boarding school because her useless mother had absconded, and thanks to immigration laws, we couldn't bring her to the UK since she's "only" a niece. The other alternative was the care system, and thsankfully we had the money (just) not to let that happen.

We also sent her to the college of her choice, which was not her home college, which would have cost significantly less. We thought that she should be able to go to the uni of her choice, like we were able to. So we ended up paying the foreign-student fees. Totally worth it to make her happy.

Birdsongisangry · 28/04/2026 00:10

ForCosyLion · 28/04/2026 00:06

What about me and my husband? We did loads for my niece and her mother, and would have had his niece to live with us if there wasn't an international immigration barrier.

You sent her away and refused to house her because your husband said no. In your own words, heartless, cold, disgusting cruel behaviour of which you should be ashamed. Your words not mine.

ThePieceHall · 28/04/2026 00:09

Birdsongisangry · 27/04/2026 23:48

I don't think anyone has suggested that the family should walk away from the child. There are many ways to support without taking on a full time parenting role - I think you mentioned earlier about wishing you had someone who would ask questions and be curious about what is happening for example.
In my experience there are often people in the wider family who might be well placed to advocate for a young person, or deal with practical stuff like education battles, or take them out to do the fun stuff, or have them for sleepovers etc, who (for many reasons) wouldn't either be in a position to, or wouldn't be suited to, being a full time substitute parent. It would be great if every one could step up, but as much as the care system has problems, trying to keep children with relatives where it's just not a good fit, or they're doing it out of guilt, really doesn't help either. It may be if social services can find another carer and the aunt no longer feels the pressure from them of having to make it work, that she might feel more inclined to help in other ways.

Yes, you make a really good point. My adopted daughter number one is now 18 and she cannot live at home any more. Mainly because she makes false allegations against me. Just to illustrate the complexities of traumatised children, I have been arrested, detained in a police cell for 21 hours and interviewed under caution with a duty solicitor present after my AD1 falsely claimed I had assaulted her. Despite the police deciding no further action within 24 hours, I was then put through a child protection investigation by my LA and taken to a child protection conference. The shame and distress still burns me. I love my AD1, I just can’t give her access to destroy my life any further. We see each other every day, I advocate for her strongly, she phones me about 800 times a day, and she knows I will always have her back. Life is calmer without her living at home as my AD2(10) and I are not constantly awaiting the police sirens and blue lights. Living with traumatised children can often feel impossible. It’s easy for others to judge. Anyway, as I mentioned previously, all it takes is one phone call to your LA to put yourself under scrutiny as an adoptive parent or a foster carer.

Brambel · 28/04/2026 00:07

Sad situation all around, how terrible for these children and yet you get endless people including governments trying to get everyone to have more kids. When the truth is a good chunk of people shouldn’t be having kids, and this is obviously one of the more extreme examples of it. We need less and better quality parents IMO.

And it’s also a good example that none of us are an island so this is why in many cases people can rightfully express opinions on the way others live . So often people will say “it’s none of your business” blah blah but at the end of the day, we all live in society together and our decisions affect others. Especially those closest to us.

All that to say no one is really at fault here other than the parents who abandoned her and her siblings.

I am a child free woman of a similar age who loves travelling.

And while I’d like to think I would take in any of my friends or families kids rather than to see them go into foster care, I can understand how it’s not for everyone.

DisappointedofMeryton · 28/04/2026 00:07

ForCosyLion · 28/04/2026 00:00

Actually, we did support my husband's niece from age 14, who was in a bad situation. She wanted to go to military school (this is abroad) so we sent her, as it was her dream to be in the military. She's 32 now and happily ensconced in the air force of her country. She's of a different nationality, so couldn't live with us, but her troubled mother lives in the UK and I offered to have her live with us, but my husband (whose sister it is) said no. Instead, his older brother, who is very wealthy, bought the mother a flat and paid her bills. We went halves on the military school and on her uni costs that weren't paid by the military. And we also gave her more money, and pastoral support, and had her to stay.

I thought I was used to all the stone-cold hearts on MN, but this thread has really shocked me. Do people not understand how vulnerable teenage girls are to all the pervs about?

Right, so you attacked another poster whose husband wouldn't be happy with them fostering, but you (like the wet lettuce you accused someone else of being) caved in to your own husband refusing a caring/housing responsibility towards his own vulnerable sister (and by extension, his niece). But that's ok because you spent some money.

ForCosyLion · 28/04/2026 00:06

Birdsongisangry · 28/04/2026 00:05

Like you and your husband?

What about me and my husband? We did loads for my niece and her mother, and would have had his niece to live with us if there wasn't an international immigration barrier.

Rachie1973 · 28/04/2026 00:05

ForCosyLion · 28/04/2026 00:03

I notice the insults began when I asked how people would feel if they died and their own kids were turned over to the care system instead of living with a sibling.

Finding the mirror uncomfortable, are we?

Edited

Well my kids are all adults so it’s kind of a moot point.

ForCosyLion · 28/04/2026 00:05

LancashireButterPie · 28/04/2026 00:03

I have 3 friends who are foster mothers. Two specialise in teen placements. They are bloody amazing at what they do and quite frankly it sounds like this poor girl would be better off with them then with an aunt who can't be arsed with her.
It pisses me off when people assume that all foster carers are abusers. Most abuse occurs in families and foster carers are professionals who are well trained and well vetted.

Be pissed off at the facts, not at the people taking the facts into account. Stats show that abuse is rife in the care system. The fact that it's not everyone doesn't mean it's not rife.

Birdsongisangry · 28/04/2026 00:05

ForCosyLion · 28/04/2026 00:03

I notice the insults began when I asked how people would feel if they died and their own kids were turned over to the care system instead of living with a sibling.

Finding the mirror uncomfortable, are we?

Edited

Like you and your husband?