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parkrun defending their position

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Funtime2 · 26/04/2026 11:52

I used to be a parkrunner and do not understand how parkrun can defend their position of allowing trans identfying males into the female category.

I read that 280 published race winners in the female category are actually men identifying as women. How is this fair to women? Some women don’t care about this but some women do, just as some men take it as a race and care about the rankings and some men don’t

The other option of course is they could stop the timing, stop recording winners and records?

AIBU to genuinely not understand why parkrun claim not to be a race when they time the runners, publish times by category, rank times and runners, and have record holders by category.

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HouseOfGoldandBones · 26/04/2026 14:15

Bobbingtons · 26/04/2026 13:38

Why not set up your parkrun type organisation operating under a sec realistic way, you won't be stopped?
I think this issue highlights where the law doesn't work very well because of the way people are categorised and needs to be more nuanced. Currently all trans individuals are covered by gender reassignment which causes problems. If that was split further into categories of trans men and trans women it would go a long way to address this.
Whether you agree with it or not a lot of organisations desire to be trans inclusive and skills have the right to do so, but after the sc running this is no longer possible, what we need is a pragmatic approach which allows this to occur if the organisation chooses to do so.
This would allow for organisations to set up groups that are exclusive to sex if this is their choice, but also let organisations continue to have trans inclusive organisations if they also want and then people would have the right to choose which organisations they want to join.
Both positions are valid and should be seen as acceptable.

I'm not convinced that telling Orgs (especially when they receive public funding) that they can break the law if they fancy it, is, necessarily, a workable solution.

lemonraspberry · 26/04/2026 14:13

Funtime2 · 26/04/2026 12:19

If it’s not a competition and a race then people can easily time themselves.
Apps galore out there or just put a clock at the start and finish.

Then why bother with a parkrun - just go for a run by yourself. Which ones again bypasses the whole encouragement and group community feel. Having timed events give people (who are not always motivated club runners) but people new to the sport) that boost to turn up and try… without the fear of being last, slow or joining a competitive event.

Funtime2 · 26/04/2026 14:12

AndSoFinally · 26/04/2026 14:10

But @Funtime2you don’t have to prove your age? They do t ask for your passport or anything?

so how do you know the age category is any more accurate?

Because if someone lies about their age they are breaking the rules.

Currently it’s perfectly fine to register as a woman if you are a man.

Come on, you must be able to see the difference.

We don’t abolish all rules because some people break them.

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ThatBlackCat · 26/04/2026 14:12

OneTimeThingToday · 26/04/2026 12:19

I honestly dont see why they cant haave their own category and their own records.

They don't want it. We've tried. They only get validation by being in the female category and being listed on the official Parkrun site as female and the fastest female.

They've never wanted their category, they claim it 'others' them, which is bs. They only want validation. Nothing else.

AndSoFinally · 26/04/2026 14:10

But @Funtime2you don’t have to prove your age? They do t ask for your passport or anything?

so how do you know the age category is any more accurate?

Funtime2 · 26/04/2026 14:10

ComtesseDeSpair · 26/04/2026 14:04

Some genuinely believe they are female and have always been female; some would lie; some would just like to be agents of chaos: I am reasonably certain that the record-holding runners for several segments on some of my Strava routes are either actually cyclists, or Roger Bannister has returned from the dead and regularly beats his own world record in half running around South East London. I just don’t bother myself about it.

All trans women know they are biologically male. Don’t be daft.

What happens when they go into hospital do they not declare their sex.
90% have had no surgery, do they not have eyes

Cheats and law breakers don’t mean we abolish all sane rules and laws. Common!

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Hellohelga · 26/04/2026 14:07

Funtime2 · 26/04/2026 13:54

For some people it’s just for fun
For some people it’s about bettering their own time
For some people it’s about comparing themselves to others in their category.

It’s meant to be inclusive of all these people.

How would it stop trans woman running if they had to declare their sex at birth on a form?

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You are dead right OP. The people who are saying it’s just for fun are way off the mark. We run at Bushy. It’s the original site and has thousands of runners. It’s mega competitive at the top (in a good way) and winning overall is a big achievement. Sports men and women are naturally competitive people. It’s what pushes them to train and strive to be the best. Coming second to a trans would be extremely annoying.

grafittiartist · 26/04/2026 14:07

Not fair at all.
All the people shouting that it’s just for fun.
But loads of people I know look at their stats and want to know how they are doing in comparison to other of their sex and age.
It makes a mockery of any stats.
all because they can’t just ask for sex on the registration.

ThatBlackCat · 26/04/2026 14:06

Sirzy · 26/04/2026 12:06

As much as I don’t agree with it the way people register for parkrun does make it impossible for it to be policed.

I don’t know what the answer is but it would be very hard to stop someone registering as male
or female if they wished to.

Removing publishing the category timings and placings from their website would remove the incentive for the males who want to enter the female category for the attention and rankings. In fact, Parkrun shouldn't even keep any timings at all, let the individuals buy a bloody watch and do it themselves on their wrist.

TonysGotANewMotor · 26/04/2026 14:06

It's not fair.

Men run faster than women. Ok, so NAMAFTW but most are. There is a female category in park run, the Supreme Court says if it's called a female category then that's what it should be. If park run was really a non competitive fun run, no one would care - but they do.

ComtesseDeSpair · 26/04/2026 14:04

Funtime2 · 26/04/2026 13:58

Are you suggesting trans people would lie?

Some genuinely believe they are female and have always been female; some would lie; some would just like to be agents of chaos: I am reasonably certain that the record-holding runners for several segments on some of my Strava routes are either actually cyclists, or Roger Bannister has returned from the dead and regularly beats his own world record in half running around South East London. I just don’t bother myself about it.

Funtime2 · 26/04/2026 13:59

@PurpleNightingale

But they have

parkrun Age categories = state your age.
parkrun sex categories = state how you feel.

parkrun age categories = fair competition and data collecting
parkrun sex categories = unfairness to women and inaccurate data collecting

Not consistent is it?

No one is asking for al the categories to be policed.
They are asking for them to be fair and consistent.

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Funtime2 · 26/04/2026 13:58

PurpleNightingale · 26/04/2026 13:55

This is so low stakes- a name on a website with a time? If both including those who identify as women and not including them is going to upset people this much the only likely outcome would be to pull the gender separate lists altogether. Small organisations certainly couldn't police it beyond letting people declare what they are, they can't DNA test to confirm, and such a suggestion would be far too invasive for a fun run.

Are you suggesting trans people would lie?

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Funtime2 · 26/04/2026 13:57

@Sensiblesal @IAmBeaIDrinkTea

As parkrun do post winners and times, would either of you be opposed to this form for fairness for all (including women)

name
age
sex at birth

(we ask for your age and sex at birth to ensure our categories are both fair and meaningful. If you would prefer not to state your sex at birth or your age, please leave the box blank and we will not include your times within a category but just alongside your name).

Everyone's welcome at parkrun

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PurpleNightingale · 26/04/2026 13:55

This is so low stakes- a name on a website with a time? If both including those who identify as women and not including them is going to upset people this much the only likely outcome would be to pull the gender separate lists altogether. Small organisations certainly couldn't police it beyond letting people declare what they are, they can't DNA test to confirm, and such a suggestion would be far too invasive for a fun run.

Funtime2 · 26/04/2026 13:54

Sensiblesal · 26/04/2026 13:48

Isn’t parkrun supposed to be a community organised fun event giving people somewhere to run - families/adults only etc

This is the 2nd anti parkrun thread in two days.

I don’t see why it matters if trans women are registered as women or not, its just for fun. Yes people like to improve their own times/get PB’s but how does anyone else time affect you

For some people it’s just for fun
For some people it’s about bettering their own time
For some people it’s about comparing themselves to others in their category.

It’s meant to be inclusive of all these people.

How would it stop trans woman running if they had to declare their sex at birth on a form?

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Spaghettea · 26/04/2026 13:51

Not "anti-parkrun", it's "anti-sexism".

IAmBeaIDrinkTea · 26/04/2026 13:51

Sensiblesal · 26/04/2026 13:48

Isn’t parkrun supposed to be a community organised fun event giving people somewhere to run - families/adults only etc

This is the 2nd anti parkrun thread in two days.

I don’t see why it matters if trans women are registered as women or not, its just for fun. Yes people like to improve their own times/get PB’s but how does anyone else time affect you

Same, and it's one of the reasons I like Park Run so much. That it's not competitive, and it's for all abilities.

Sensiblesal · 26/04/2026 13:48

Isn’t parkrun supposed to be a community organised fun event giving people somewhere to run - families/adults only etc

This is the 2nd anti parkrun thread in two days.

I don’t see why it matters if trans women are registered as women or not, its just for fun. Yes people like to improve their own times/get PB’s but how does anyone else time affect you

Bobbingtons · 26/04/2026 13:38

Why not set up your parkrun type organisation operating under a sec realistic way, you won't be stopped?
I think this issue highlights where the law doesn't work very well because of the way people are categorised and needs to be more nuanced. Currently all trans individuals are covered by gender reassignment which causes problems. If that was split further into categories of trans men and trans women it would go a long way to address this.
Whether you agree with it or not a lot of organisations desire to be trans inclusive and skills have the right to do so, but after the sc running this is no longer possible, what we need is a pragmatic approach which allows this to occur if the organisation chooses to do so.
This would allow for organisations to set up groups that are exclusive to sex if this is their choice, but also let organisations continue to have trans inclusive organisations if they also want and then people would have the right to choose which organisations they want to join.
Both positions are valid and should be seen as acceptable.

Mistymaglets · 26/04/2026 13:33

Doesn't really matter if it's competitive or of it's voluntary or if people take it seriously or not.

It's just one more example of publicly reinforcing the notion that being a woman is a feeling. Biology doesn't matter. Pandering to men's feelings.

And Lauren Jeska has nothing much to be proud of. He's a full TWO minutes behind the record holder in the make category.

EstherGreenwood63 · 26/04/2026 13:28

IAmBeaIDrinkTea · 26/04/2026 13:27

How do you know they're a man?.😕

They have stated such in several previous threads.

IAmBeaIDrinkTea · 26/04/2026 13:27

EstherGreenwood63 · 26/04/2026 13:26

This poster is a man so may not be able to understand your very valid points. Or something.

How do you know they're a man?.😕

EstherGreenwood63 · 26/04/2026 13:26

Funtime2 · 26/04/2026 13:08

Belittling other people is not kind or inclusive to other people’s motivation.

This poster is a man so may not be able to understand your very valid points. Or something.

Funtime2 · 26/04/2026 13:24

WheretheFishesareFrightening · 26/04/2026 12:55

What do you propose the gender/sex question is though? Given trans people believe they are women and female, they won’t think they’re cheating by answering the question that way.

I propose they ask this

name
age
sex at birth

(we ask for your age and sex at birth to ensure our categories are both fair and meaningful. If you would prefer not to state your sex at birth or your age, please leave the box blank and we will not include your times within a category but just alongside your name).

Everyone's welcome at parkrun

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