parkrun defending their position

I wish the EHRC would pull its collective finger out instead of kicking the can down the road with various tales.

No, you are the one missing the actual point. Transwomen don't want their own categories, they say it 'others' them. And they will refuse to register in the category anyway. They ONLY want the female one. We know this when a trans/open category was created for swimming. Not one trans person registered for that category. What you are suggesting is a non-starter. There is no point if they don't get validation of being the female winner. Lol forget the 'sub category', they will not ever register in the trans category, let alone trans sub category!

Laws since the SC ruling need to be less nuanced and much more stricter and clear cut. In fact, it is 'nuanced', wishywashy rules that are causing the confusion and problem.

I may be misremembering this, but didn't park run briefly stop recording / posting rankings when this first blew up a few years ago? But the policy was swiftly reversed because, even though it's definitely not a competition, a lot of men objected to this. And of course it wouldn't do at all to upset the men. Makes me so angry.

You are missing my point, what is required is a more nuanced law itself because the current laws need to be more nuanced given the sc ruling, by adding sub categories for trans men and trans women it would allow organisations who choose to do so to be trans inclusive if they choose to do so. We should recognise that trans people exist and they organisations can choose themselves whether they want to segregate based on biological sex or not and for both positions to be valid and legal. We should accept that both positions should be permissable by law whereas the sc ruling has now made inclusivity illegal because of this lack of legal nuance.

Well yes, but they like to claim they're women now.
Even though they're still men.

99.9999999% of transwomen know they haven't actually changed sex, and they tell us this often enough. Only the incredibly batshit deranged actually believe they've actually changed sex, and are ostracised by all other trans people.

Are you unreasonable for expecting Parkrun to not allow Trans runners to identify as women? No!

However as others have pointed out I am not sure how they would police this as there is not much scrutiny when you sign up. Doesn't mean they shouldn't try - maybe by just making a blatant statement on their website that people should register by their sex at birth would be a start.

Are you being unreasonable by expecting them to stop timing and ranking people - Very much Yes!

Yeah I know, its a run not a race - but its a bit of a race as well. A race against yourself, against your friends or acquaintances. I would say that the vast majority of Park runners get a lot of fun and interest in terms of their own health and fitness from being timed and ranked. Much of the chat post race run is about the stats and how people are improving or not with some friendly competition thrown in.

Getting rid of the timing and rankings would be the worst of all possible worlds and would destroy Parkrun and make it pretty pointless. I might as well run around the park on my own.

Then they need to remove the categories and they need to not note who has the course records.

The fact that they do this makes any claim of theirs that parkrun is not competitive a falsehood.

It affects it because they list timings and placings publicly on Parkrun's own site. Therefore it is by de facto a competition. And a male being publicly declared the fastest is cheating women. I think most fair-minded people can understand this.

If it's 'nOt a CoMpeTitiOn' then remove all publicly posting rankings and timings! You can't have it both ways. That will remove incentive for males to claim to be female and cheat.

They are the same as everyone else, most would adhere to the rules and few wouldn’t. What are you suggesting?

I'm suggesting that a great many transwomen would object to being told to state their biological sex, because they believe they've actually changed sex.
They don't like being told that this is impossible.

It really makes no sense - if it doesn't matter, then why are they (trans identifying men) registering themselves as female when they know they aren't? If it does matter, then why are Parkrun allowing those men to do this?

I mean, I think we all know the answer is "Because it only matters when men are negatively affected".

sex at birth

Unfortunately transwomen would lie about that too.

I propose simple it be a fun run with not categories, no ages, no sexes, no data taken. NOTHING taken at all. Anyone and everyone of any age and any sex/gender enter and no timings taken, all people are responsible for taking their own timings on their wrist watch, phone or stopwatch themselves.

That I think, is really the only fair and workable solution there can possibly ever be.

Jakers here at our local run every Sunday junior and adult it's about improving your own time which living on the coast is affected by the weather. Running in windy wet weather or a nice spring day, different kettle of fish.

No-one gets aerated about it.

They know they're not female, as female is a sex and even they admit they know they don't change sex (just 'gender'). And Parkrun registers by sex, so they know they are already lying and cheating.

Yes, and so are you.
You're being disingenuous.

If that's the case, then males can register in the correct male category then.

Can't they? So what's the fuss?

You don't run in categories though. You all start at the same time and all together. If people want to get all competitive, that's on them.
It's not what Park Run's about and they've never claimed to be a race.

Why can't there be a third, open, category which people can enter irrespective of gender identity?

Or the other option is if you don't like it don't go?
It is their event at the end of the day. They don't owe you anything.

If parkrun have categories and they publish in any way records within those categories, it is being run as a competition.

If they only sent people their own time and then never recognised records or categories, that would be a non-competitive event. But parkrun do not do this and this has been pointed out to them many times. There are male people who hold records for female people on 20-30 different courses.

parkrun have made it a competitive event while denying that it is a competitive event.