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DevilsKitchen · 24/04/2026 14:48

I’ve just been prescribed something by a PA that is not recommended in pregnancy due to the risk of deafness and cleft palate.

I am only by virtue of being an inherently distrusting person that I am not now taking this. I mentioned I was pregnant and the PA said “oh yeah I’m pretty sure it’s fine” which to me is not good enough so I checked with the pharmacist who told me categorically no and go and ask for something else.

My colleague also had a bad experience with a PA when her daughter was prescribed something inappropriate for her specific condition.

And it’s no wonder is it? It’s two years training at masters level which is obviously nowhere near enough. It was a nice idea to try and reduce the waiting list and I don’t even think it’s their fault because they are doing their best but AIBU to say it’s time this experiment was ended?

I would like to say my surgery has dealt with it really well and I am now booked in to see an actual GP.

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Locutus2000 · 29/04/2026 16:09

Cheesipuff · 26/04/2026 08:50

Is this a journalist looking for bad PA stories ???????

More like the BMA pulling dirty tricks. I wouldn't put anything past the current lot.

Carriemac · 29/04/2026 16:04

I had a really bad experience with a PA at Christmas who didn’t listen to my chest and sent me away ‘ as it was just a virus ‘ I saw an emergency doctor 24 hours later and was prescribed steroids for my breathlessness and I was ill for ages afterwards . The worst thing is my records say the PA listened to my chest but he didn’t

Needmoresleep · 29/04/2026 16:00

I think this post, and the fact that the OP has not returned, suggests something.

I am seeing similar on Facebook. Attacks on ANPs, CNSs, ACPs and other and other senior health practitioners. Comments suggest these stem from the BMA, concerned about Doctor status.

I personally have always been happy to see ANPs. Indeed because of a high risk of melanoma recurring, I pay for six monthly checks to see a specialist nurse at a skin clinic, who I believe is more likely to spot something nasty that a locum GP (or a PA) would. ANPs were also brilliant at helping manage the routine illnesses of old age (UTIs etc) that affected my 90 year old mother and could offer more time and better patient knowledge than a GP as well as home visits when needed.

I think the position is different for PAs who have less experience and training and yet are paid more that junior doctors, soak up scarce training opportunities, and have much more favourable working conditions (no nights, no compulsory rotations to different hospitals, scheduled training time.) DDs classmate who became a PA was nowhere near as academic enough to even attempt a medical school application. It is difficult to see how a sports science degree coupled with a two year course will allow her, even with a lot of handholding, to take the place of a doctor.

What the BMA is not doing is questioning the open immigration policy that is flooding entry level NHS positions will doctors from overseas, forcing expensively trained UK doctors to either leave the profession or to emigrate.

(And indeed the situation is no better for experienced overseas doctors stuck in entry level jobs with little chance of training or promotion, or on fixed term contracts with the prospect of joining the every growing army of under employed locums at the end. Choices once UK residency for the doctor and their dependents is confirmed is to accept the situation, or use the NHS experience to either move to Australia/NZ/Canada or find work in the UK outside medicine.)

The current approach, that doctors are simply numbers and that there is no need to offer retention via a viable career path, is incredibly wasteful. UK trained doctors are valuable as they graduate familiar with UK protocols and NHS procedures, but also cost the UK taxpayer an awful lot to train. They have useful cultural advantages when it comes to things like end of discussions with grieving families, or working with other professionals including nurses. Losing 50% of the year group in order to recruit from abroad or substitute with PAs is bonkers.

We need to be really careful when we use pseudo-doctors. Absolutely fine for a senior nurse experienced in a particular field to see patients, indeed probably better for the patient than a newly qualified doctor in their first week of working in the speciality. But using PAs may save short term money but belated diagnosis costs more and jeopardises patient safety.

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stopthemud · 26/04/2026 20:41

I had an absolutely awful experience with a PA, well my DH did. The person involved lead us to believe he was a fully qualified GP. My DH is not a person who goes the the dr, so that itself should have rang alarm bells 6 visits in 3 weeks after maybe a visit once every 2 or 3 years for the previous 15 years. It was only when I cemetery lost my shit and rang 111 an ambulance arrived very quickly and he ended up in hospital for 3 months. I do not trust them at all. I would strongly advise anyone who has any doubts to seek a second opinion. The consultants in hospital were less than complimentary about him as we're the paramedics who rang him up to ask him what on earth he was playing at. Luckily my husband recovered, he almost didn't. Trust your gut anyone who thinks they are being fobbed off. We didn't look into legal action, the amount the NHS pays out in compensation is staggering, we were lucky, I would rather someone more affected got the money. Be very wary.

WhatHappenedToYourFurnitureCuz · 26/04/2026 13:58

ThePeewit · 26/04/2026 11:08

I don't think it failed judging by the almost entirety negative responses and some quite worrying ones.

Yep. Also quite happy if this is the case - the more publicity about the PA scandal, the better.

ThePeewit · 26/04/2026 11:08

disappearingme · 26/04/2026 10:54

OP hasn't been back. I suspect because their attempt to create a story to discredit PA's failed.

I don't think it failed judging by the almost entirety negative responses and some quite worrying ones.

disappearingme · 26/04/2026 10:54

OP hasn't been back. I suspect because their attempt to create a story to discredit PA's failed.

Cheesipuff · 26/04/2026 08:50

Is this a journalist looking for bad PA stories ???????

ispecialiseinthis · 26/04/2026 08:42

Abso · 25/04/2026 23:55

Where as I'm the opposite and would definitely trust the pharmacists decision over the GP/ consultant. But that's because I've been saved from inappropriate drug interactions and doses by pharmacists and also been prescribed drugs by a GP that was an absolute no in pregnancy (known to cause heart defects, not simply untested in pregnancy).

That is exactly the role of the pharmacist - wholly in the scope of practice. When I was junior doctor, pharmacists would come on the ward round and would go through all the patients’ drug charts and sign each drug off with their green pen, add queries etc and contacted us to make amendments.
All discharge prescriptions are checked and issued by the hospital pharmacy.
The pharmacists are vital colleagues but perform an entirely different role from the team of doctors

toothcrackedow · 26/04/2026 08:17

spstchmu · 26/04/2026 02:21

They're awful in my limited experience. Limited because i rang up and told the receptionist I didnt want to be contacted by them again. Its not their fault, no, but potentially dangerous

They’re brilliant if you get the right one. I’ve had one who thought she was god, but the others have listened to me, given me the medication I needed, and been polite and friendly.

Badbadbunny · 26/04/2026 08:15

Abso · 25/04/2026 23:55

Where as I'm the opposite and would definitely trust the pharmacists decision over the GP/ consultant. But that's because I've been saved from inappropriate drug interactions and doses by pharmacists and also been prescribed drugs by a GP that was an absolute no in pregnancy (known to cause heart defects, not simply untested in pregnancy).

Same here. When I handed in aprescription for a vaginal infection to the chemist, he took one look at it and asked me to sit and wait while he phoned the surgery. Half an hour later he called me over to tell me to go back and pick up another prescription. Apparently the gp had issued a one off high strength antiobotic by accident to be taken 3 times a day for a week! So I’d have had 21 doses of a one dose drug.

JulietteHasAGun · 26/04/2026 07:51

toothcrackedow · 25/04/2026 23:06

In the two minutes between me leaving the room and getting to the door?

Quite possibly, it’s all electronic. The PA presses a button, it flashes up on the GPs screen, they have a cursory glance and OK it. Can be done in under a minute.

spstchmu · 26/04/2026 02:21

They're awful in my limited experience. Limited because i rang up and told the receptionist I didnt want to be contacted by them again. Its not their fault, no, but potentially dangerous

nocoolnamesleft · 26/04/2026 02:13

And don't underestimate the inflammatory effect of underqualified new starting PAs being paid more than FY1s. I know a number of residents who say that was the last straw that made them vote for the most recent round of industrial action.

Abso · 25/04/2026 23:55

Kfti48dj · 24/04/2026 17:01

Not so long ago my GP surgery tried to make me have a hospital prescription that came with no instructions decided by the pharmacy( amount and frequency). I held firm and said I wanted a doctor to decide how much and how often . A doctor messaged me with the info saying I’d absolutely done exactly the right thing and it should be my GP deciding on the dosage not a random pharmacist. Same system tried to palm me off with a medical practitioner when I wanted a GP appointment for something I was concerned could be linked to something quite serious I’m under the hospital
for. They weren’t honest and I looked her up on the site and realised. Again held firm and got a GP appointment which we have a right to do.

Happy to see pharmacists and nurses for things that are relevant for them but I’m not dumb and when I know I need to speak to a GP a GP is who I expect to speak to.

We can and should reject staff who aren’t GPs if we don’t feel they or their advice are relevant.

Where as I'm the opposite and would definitely trust the pharmacists decision over the GP/ consultant. But that's because I've been saved from inappropriate drug interactions and doses by pharmacists and also been prescribed drugs by a GP that was an absolute no in pregnancy (known to cause heart defects, not simply untested in pregnancy).

Needmoresleep · 25/04/2026 23:46

mjf981 · 25/04/2026 22:50

I'd guess because they're cheaper..

Not at all. DD worked alongside PAs on a couple of wards when she was Foundation 2. Not only could they not prescribe but there were a range of other, important, procedures they were not allowed to undertake. Yet they were better paid, only worked set week day shifts, had a lot of paid training time (DD's Deanery used the old contract so most doctor training had to be in your own time) and had no staff responsibilities.

More importantly they had proper contracts, with pensions, sick pay etc.

50% of F2s who finished last August had no jobs to go to. A lot of the rest ended up on 12 month locum or clinical fellow contracts, with no guarantee that there would be anything after that. Agency locum work is zero hours and, because of the large number of unemployed doctors, can be exploitative. (DD was paid half the salary of the person she was covering for.)

Doctor jobs are open to worldwide competition and entry level vacancies regularly attract hungreds of applicants. It is difficult for those at the start of their careers to compete with more experienced candidates. Yet bizarrely, newly qualified doctors are not allowed to apply for PA positions, even though these jobs would allow them to continue to gain experience within a UK hospital setting.

The whole thing is daft. We don't need PAs when we have so many doctors looking for work.

Unicorny244 · 25/04/2026 23:37

MooBaggage · 24/04/2026 15:50

Not true, as F1s can't prescribe either!

There is a lot of mis-informatiom on this thread....🙄

Of course they can. Ironic….

toothcrackedow · 25/04/2026 23:29

becks571 · 25/04/2026 23:23

If a PA prescribed, it would be illegal. They are not qualified to prescribe.

Well they did, and they do.

Yellowpapersun · 25/04/2026 23:29

I saw a PA at my surgery who put on my medical record that I have atrial fibrillation. I don't. I only found out because I did a drug study and the doctor there asked why I hadn't declared it. I complained and it was removed from my record, but no explanation was given.
Another one I saw for a UTI put my urine sample in a bottle meant for blood and it couldn't be tested.
I don't go to the doctor's often but I don't want to see a PA again.

becks571 · 25/04/2026 23:23

toothcrackedow · 25/04/2026 23:06

In the two minutes between me leaving the room and getting to the door?

If a PA prescribed, it would be illegal. They are not qualified to prescribe.

toothcrackedow · 25/04/2026 23:06

becks571 · 25/04/2026 23:06

It is true. PAs cannot prescribe. Your prescription would have been completed by someone else.

In the two minutes between me leaving the room and getting to the door?

becks571 · 25/04/2026 23:06

toothcrackedow · 25/04/2026 22:55

This ain’t true. I was see by a PA and by the time I’d left the surgery my prescription was ready to pick up.

It is true. PAs cannot prescribe. Your prescription would have been completed by someone else.

toothcrackedow · 25/04/2026 22:55

Brickiscool · 24/04/2026 14:51

A physicians associate can't prescribe medicine. It has to be signed off by a GP. So the responsibility is actually the GPs who has authorised it

This ain’t true. I was see by a PA and by the time I’d left the surgery my prescription was ready to pick up.

WoollyandSarah · 25/04/2026 22:54

mjf981 · 25/04/2026 22:50

I'd guess because they're cheaper..

They don't seem to be particularly cheaper, based on a quick Google, but obviously doctors do get more expensive.

Cheesipuff · 25/04/2026 22:51

OP has not been back to answer the suspicious queries