Why isn't there any mainstream media focus on British men rape who molest and rape, women and children? But just 'the boat people' ?! Evil/badness exists everywhere!

Sure. Let's run with that 🙄.

I really hope you are correct that young British boys are rejecting rape culture, and I hope none them have enrolled in the online Rape Academy or other incel groups that promote violence against women.
For my daughter's and other young women's sakes, I really do.

Again, I did not say who is better or worse.

I also did not say I prefer non-Western countries.

I simply noted - we are not the bastions of sexual morality we pretend to be. We all produce sexually deviant men who cause great harm to women.

Yes and all these men are much older and dying out. I do believe that the younger generation (although not by any means perfect) are much better than this, and because of the changes in society the ways these men hid their crimes are less usable now.

The migrants coming in are very often from a sustained culture (which will continue as they do not believe it is wrong) that believe women have no value beyond what men want. These men are late teens and believe women deserve to be raped. I bet if you asked any young British lad, they would believe those views to be abhorrent.

The old white man culture will die out, the culture of these migrant men is coming and it will take over if something isn't done.

We cannot remove our home grown violent men, we CAN stop more joining them - but nobody in power seems brave enough to do so

That’s a shame, if western values are worse then perhaps someone will say which are better.

In the meantime I’m glad my dc are here and not in various other countries. Others may disagree and prefer non western.

Nobody would deny that men are the main perpetrators of sexual violence. Nobody would deny that white British men commit crimes of sexual violence.

But think the question many would like to see answered is whether men with an immigrant background - not just new immigrants - are more likely to commit sexual crimes than the indigenous population. If so, how much more likely? Is there any correlation between country of origin and sexual offending? Is there ny correlation between religion and sexual offending? The fact that no government wants to address these issues suggests to me that they know what the answer will be.

This is a country where men will rape and/or sexually assault women in public and be applauded for it, passerbys will turn a blind eye to it, no-one will give testimony against the assailants etc. Women are raped in buses, tubes, in town centres... And they won't face prosecution either.

Billionaires, millionaires and paupers- we all produce men that treat women with wanton disregard; because in the West as elsewhere, they can do so with impunity. We are not better where this is concerned.

I think you have red white and blue tinted glasses on here.
Marital rape didn't become illegal in Britain until 1991. 1.6m women in the UK experienced DVA last year. 64% of UK women have experienced sexual harassment in a public place. Our refuges are full. Our teen daughters are catcalled in their school uniforms. One in four of us will have been raped or sexually assaulted as an adult. The NSPCC estimates that one in twenty of us will have been sexually abused as a child.
The chief of police calls MVAWG in the UK a "national epidemic beyond the scope of policing"
So unless you think there's some extremely busy offenders from other countries getting about a lot, you might need to accept that if our 'cultural norms' are so superior when it comes to the treatment of women, a lot of uk men didn't get the memo.

No, I won't give an example.
I will say, however, that we do not hold the moral high ground where rape and sexual assault is concerned, because of the many great Western values we enjoy, this is not one.
An estimated 739,000 women were the victims of rape or sexual assault last year. 1in 2 rapes were carried out by a partner or an ex, and 5 in 6 by someone knoen to the victim.
This is not a representation of stellar Western values towards women.

No, it isn’t tolerated in the Middle East. Egyptian women protest long and fighting for their rights. How have you supported them?

You think groping and spousal rape doesn’t happen in the UK by white men?

How naive.

The National Crime Agency's Operation Stovewood cites that out of 323 designated CSAE suspects in Rotherham nearly two-thirds were recorded as coming from a Pakistani ethnic background, significantly higher than the proportion of South Yorkshire’s or Rotherham’s Pakistani ethnic population (2.4% and 4%respectively). Yes, white British were prosecuted in greater total numbers but it is hard to ignore the massive discrepancy in rates of offence between the two demographic groups and the systematic failure of a raft of institutions to investigate and pursue prosecutions for one group compared to the other.

This in a nutshell.

the whataboutery around “but white mean rape too” denies the fact that illegal migrants shouldn’t be here and shouldn’t be freely wandering our streets. It’s just like the “but women can be abusers too” trope that gets spouted - existence of one does not negate the threat from the other.

I too experienced SA at the hands of a white male relative and yes, most abuse is at the hands of a man known to the victim. But why oh why are we accepting 1000s of men from seriously fucked up countries, with medieval views about women and girls, to just be freely in our communities? Close to schools, parks, beaches etc. Where children hang out.

I think our future generations will look back and be horrified that this was allowed under the “diversity is our strength” narrative.

We’ve enough male abusers of our own, we don’t need any more!

You can't compare super rich chronic pedophiles, with a country where men will rape an unaccompanied women in public and be applauded for it. They are both awful but comparing the 2 is apples and pears and by implying we have something to learn from them is ludicrous

It is not part of British culture to accept that men can grope women in the street, rape their wives whenever they want their needs servicing, use violence to make women submit, have sex with or marry minors etc etc etc. However, it is a tolerated or actively practiced part of various Eastern / Middle Eastern cultures. When those men come here, they bring their learned beliefs, attitudes and values with them many of which are entitled, harmful and incompatible with our own laws and cultures. Surely you’re aware of things such as Islamic clerics from overseas being videoed in Birmingham mosques talking about their right to do whatever it takes to get women to comply? Our culture doesn’t tolerate men chatting about things like that as part of religious services!

Racism. That’s why

Yep white rapists up and down the country must be laughing their heads off at how they commit 83% of the crimes but people only ever want to talk about the minority.

Yep, I had to bring it up because no one else would. Shameful when OP’s thread was about why white rapists (which are the clear majority) aren’t discussed anymore.

Where are you thinking is better? Can you give an example.

You know why.

Exactly the Taliban and the Iranian regime have far better attitudes and laws to women's rights and laws under Western Governments.

Maybe we could approach this in a more diverse and inclusive way by adopting the same Afghanistan and Iranian culture and law here in the West. That way newly arrived citizens would already be familiar with women's position and rights in society and they would be less likely to commit crimes.

It’s bad enough the amount of British men that abuse women and kids. But we all have a basic understanding that every society has a baseline measure of these men, sadly, and we accept it as part of life.
Let’s not import more though. That seems mental.
My garden has a certain natural level of slugs and snails which I battle with. Doesn’t mean I’m happy if the neighbour brings over buckets of slugs and snails to add to the situation.

I’ve only recently joined the thread and look at you and I discussing John Ashby on this very thread. Fancy that.

This whole debate is so stupid. It’s like being in year 6 and having to explain per capita.

I know It’s not that people are defending the rapists, but it kind of does sound like that. “Dont look over here, look over there” kind of thing.

How has this whole thing become normalised. Are people seriously ok with these people being allowed to stay here (and at the expense of deserving refugees)?!

Egyptian murderer from Brighton should not have been here! We cannot do much about British men but we can stop the lowest forms of men with cultural no regard for women being imported with no proper procedures of checking their background. Are you ok with that?

Perhaps if when a woman had her life ruined other people's first thought wasnt how can this be used to further an anti immigration agenda..? the OPs thoughts would not have gone in this direction.
Either in the aftermath of yet another example of male on female violence, we keep our thoughts with the victim, or we make it about the race of the perpetrator. Which should it be? Because those who are always keen on the second would have a bit of a nerve trying to shame people merely joining that conversation from a different perspective.