Could Zack Polanski be any more of an obnoxious twat?

I am too tired to deal with wilful ignorance right now. My last message to you because you will NOT twist or manipulate my words. The poster was designed by Reform/Farage - it weaponised this image (in the way that these people will weaponize anything to their advantage) and added the words BREAKING POINT. It became a propaganda campaign which was using a picture of refugees to demonstrate why the UK should leave the EU. THAT had nothing to do with Europe.

This captured the public's imagination in the way that stuff written on the side of buses did - and in the way that the Nazis did when they wanted the world to believe that Jews were a danger to be avoided. The idea of standing in front of a poster of brown refugees to labour a point about leaving the EU was a cynical and propagandist move. If you can't or won't see that then I can't say any more to you as I am out of ways of explaining this simple concept to you, if you see everything literally.

The photo was modelled on a still taken from a Nazi propaganda video

Why would the Guardian publish a photograph modelled on a still taken from a Nazi propaganda video six months before Farage did?

A spokesperson for Getty Images confirmed that the picture had been licensed from them and was taken in Slovenia in 2015 by its staff photographer Jeff Mitchell.

It doesn't matter that it was taken in Europe

Why did you say it had nothing to do with the EU then?

It's worrying that you are seeking to minimise the use of a photograph that copies the depiction of Jews being a threat to the world.

You mean like some of the Green candidates have done?

Sorry I meant to add:
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Comparison-of-the-poster-Breaking-Point-used-by-the-campaign-aimed-at-persuading-the_fig2_317704454

Yes, I've tried to upload a photo to show you that I can also use google. The photo was modelled on a still taken from a Nazi propaganda video. It doesn't matter that it was taken in Europe, but I think you already know that. It's worrying that you are seeking to minimise the use of a photograph that copies the depiction of Jews being a threat to the world.

I'm going to step back for now as I am not interested in having this conversation for the 5000th time. Have a good day.

I have the right to criticise the ideology of Zionism without being accused of being antisemitic. On the contrary, it would be antisemitic to conflate Jews with the State of Israel. You're using some very offensive language there, perhaps you need to take a moment to remember that, even if you believe you are using it to make some sort of point.

Have you looked at the Guardian link? Farage's stock photograph was clearly taken at the same time, from the same location.

Righto

yebba2026
I would point towards the Brexit campaign where he stood in front of a mocked up Nazi propaganda poster, showing middle eastern refugees walking in a large group, emblazoned with the words BREAKING POINT. It had nothing to do with the EU

The photograph was clearly taken on the Croatia/Slovenia border - the Guardian published almost identical photographs six months earlier with the captions:

Thousands of people are crossing the border from Croatia into Slovenia as authorities intensify their efforts to cope with Europe’s largest migration since the second world war...

The Slovenian prime minister, Miro Cerar, has said the EU will ‘start falling apart’ if it fails to take concrete action to tackle the refugee crisis within the next few weeks.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2015/oct/26/police-escort-migrants-through-slovenia-in-pictures

Yes, that pesky Zionist lobby has its filthy tentacles everywhere, doesn't it? Even MN isn't safe from it's baleful influence.
You know who else believes that there is a sinister cabal of Jews using their malign and powerful influence to control the world? Yes, that's right, antisemites. Replacing the word 'Jewish' with Zionist' does not magically detoxify age-old anti-semitic tropes. Perhaps give some more thought to the history of this type of racist conspiracy theory before being so willing to embrace it just because it's been given a fancy new name.
I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are arguing in good faith. However, it is worth considering that when people say:
"Legitimate criticism of Israel is not anti-semitism."
this all sounds very reasonable but these words would have more power if they were applied to actual 'legitimate criticism'. I have seen people attempting to excuse some unquestionably anti-semitic comments as criticism of Israel, which has the effect of making the entire argument appear disingenuous.

Thank you for the link!

Here you go, ScarlettOYara: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y64re59elo

FWIW Douglas Johnson, the Green's leader, is also chair of the housing committee, and while we can't know if this applies here, long experience teaches there may have been something in it for him if he saw the proposals through

Admittedly it's a while ago now, but this is how our own local housing chair ended up in jail ...

He’s a twat. It’s like a living re-enactment of Faust!

I really don't understand "could do better" or that you speak up when you see an issue?
Surely that's exactly what people are doing. They see an issue. They speak up.
It's a discussion.
Anyway. Toodle pip.

The Green Party of old has been hijacked. It is no longer the Green Party that it used to be.
And as for Zack P. He will be dumped by those around him as soon as they deem he has done enough and they can get along without him. Ditto the white lady who won the by election recently.

Sorry - edited post as thought I was on the other thread about the Green party and antisemitism where I am the OP.

I'm quoting you because I'm replying to various people, is that ok? Yes it's a discussion and I don't believe I have been personal towards you at all. I'm going to dip out now anyway, you'll be pleased to know. I just wanted to say my piece as I have no issue with speaking up when I see an issue, whereas others might not want to.

There has been very little debate - sadly because new ways of suggesting someone is being antisemitic are being created with every passing moment.

"could do a lot better"?

I really don't know what you mean by that. It's not a test. It's a discussion. There's really no need to quote parts of the thread to me, I have read it, thank you.

Don't get personal.

@yebba2026
Everyone is arguing about it so obviously not an echo chamber.

What?! What land was that, do you have a link?

Actually it isn't, so stop being disingenuous. The OP started this thread to complain about ZP and as usual, complained about Muslims, because they apparently have things so much better.

As these ridiculous conversations always do, the topic has moved all over the place. You aren't the OP are you? So no need to try dictating the parameters of the thread.

Same here, will never vote green again. And they voted with labour in Sheffield to build on greenbelt, not very green of them.

go away with your patronising bullshit and start another thread about the trans issues

this is a thread about prejudice against Jewish people and how antisemitism has become mainstream