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IneedAniffler · 18/04/2026 01:49

Very long story short, I work in an unregulated industry as a self-employed contractor. I provide a professional service in what can be quite a high-pressure environment, and I take a lot of pride in what I do.

Today, just before I was due to deliver a service, another person working there (in a separate but related role) slapped me hard on the backside. He clearly thought it was “banter” or playful, but I was completely shocked.

I reacted immediately and told him in no uncertain terms that it was unacceptable and that he must never do anything like that again. He apologised straight away, and the contractor (who works with both of us) also apologised, as did others present.

The issue is that I then had to go straight on and deliver a half-hour professional service as if nothing had happened, and then go straight to another client meeting. I didn’t really have time to process it at all.

Now I’m home, it’s all hit me properly and I feel incredibly upset. I feel violated, embarrassed, angry, and quite shaken. I also feel a bit stupid even writing this, because technically everyone has apologised and it’s “dealt with”, but it doesn’t feel dealt with to me at all.

There’s no HR in this situation as I’m self-employed, and this isn’t a traditional workplace. I’m just trying to work out whether I’m overreacting, and what (if anything) I should do next.

WWYD?

OP posts:
IneedAniffler · 18/04/2026 16:16

Chocaholick · 18/04/2026 16:10

This. All this talk of her ‘ruining his career’, ffs. HE is the one ruining his career.

I've also said a few times he's retired and just does the odd job - so its not a threat I can really weald

OP posts:
Chocaholick · 18/04/2026 16:10

Greenwitchart · 18/04/2026 16:05

He is the one ruining his career purely through his behaviour.

The OP is perfectly right to report him as a sex pest.

No idea why so many on this thread still think women should put themselves and their feelings second when some idiot man can't keep his hands to himself. ...

Don't want to lose your job? Then don't harass women. It is that simple.

This. All this talk of her ‘ruining his career’, ffs. HE is the one ruining his career.

QuintadosMalvados · 18/04/2026 16:06

Nearly50omg · 18/04/2026 15:47

At the least get all who witnessed it to
write statements to say what they saw! Then the abusive shit KNOWS he’s in trouble if he attempts to
do anything again!

I'm not sure this would work. As I've said previously, this used to pass as humour. Still does in some places.
In my experience, if something can be minimised it will be if it means not getting involved.

The idea that the police are going to do anything about this is really naive.

The examples given here where men have been convicted for bottom slapping are meaningless in the absence of further context.
One City lawyer did get convicted for this but there was far more to it than a bottom slap.
Am I saying here he should get away with it? Hell no. At the very least he's upset OP and interrupted her work.
He is at the least a twat.

Greenwitchart · 18/04/2026 16:05

Midlifehereicome · 18/04/2026 13:37

You dealt with it and made your annoyance known. It was stupid of him but surely not worth ruining his career / business. It happened to me years ago i just said please don't do that again and moved on without a second thought. People that are saying its battery or SA its not at all in the same categories in my opinion.

He is the one ruining his career purely through his behaviour.

The OP is perfectly right to report him as a sex pest.

No idea why so many on this thread still think women should put themselves and their feelings second when some idiot man can't keep his hands to himself. ...

Don't want to lose your job? Then don't harass women. It is that simple.

knittedsloth · 18/04/2026 15:51

Nearly50omg · 18/04/2026 15:47

At the least get all who witnessed it to
write statements to say what they saw! Then the abusive shit KNOWS he’s in trouble if he attempts to
do anything again!

The cognitive dissonance goes deep.

I witnessed a man, my partner at the time, humiliating a young boy in full view of his family and me by pulling the young boy's shorts down in a public place, then standing and laughing until tears ran down his face. The rest of us just stood there looking and failing to believe what we had just seen. It seemed to go on forever.

Nearly50omg · 18/04/2026 15:47

At the least get all who witnessed it to
write statements to say what they saw! Then the abusive shit KNOWS he’s in trouble if he attempts to
do anything again!

Nearly50omg · 18/04/2026 15:45

And this is why the cycle of abusing women continues

knittedsloth · 18/04/2026 15:37

IneedAniffler · 18/04/2026 13:55

Of course the fear is i lose business as all the FDs know each other and will certainly not think it bad enough to report to police. They will all give me a wide berth and say "you say the wrong thing around niffler and she'll kick off, report you to the police, no sense of humour these days"

I am always overbooked, I have found huge success and I feel like I'm where I belong doing this meaningful work - it is a total dream 99% of the time.

Then this happens or I get a sleazy message or hear something enormously racist (im not British by heritage but by birth) to have the general feeling that the outcome will be me being dropped because I'm a risk and will make a fuss is quite exhausting in an industry where reputation, word of mouth and networks is the way of doing things.

It might all be fine and they might respect my choice to report if I do

But my gut is telling me I'll come off worse. Sorry that makes for bleak reading doesn't it :(

It does make for bleak reading. I am so sorry that this has happened to you. I can understand the fear of being blanked or boycotted and losing business because of this horrible incident that was absolutely nothing to do with the way that you conduct yourself.

I've been reading the thread with interest because I think it's very difficult to report an unpleasant sexist assault such as this one without severe consequences for the person reporting it. I think that first of all you can't actually believe that they have done such a thing. There's a mismatch between your experience and what was witnessed and what your mind is telling you should happen and is supposed to happen. Perhaps the other people who witnessed it also have this kind of cognitive dissonance where they can't really believe what's happened and also they want to forget all about it.

The breathtaking abuse of power is so shocking. Then there's the worry about it happening to somebody else which is pretty realistic. There is trying to think of ways that you could have prevented it happening (which are non-existent). Then there are the consequences. For the man, there don't seem to be any consequences other than a slight embarrassment at being shouted at.

I like the idea of him being reported to the police and them giving him a talking to, and I am reassured by the fact (thanks @Weeklyreport) that similar assaults have been punished in the courts. But your action will have consequences for you and it's trying to balance whether the consequences for you are going to inflict further damage to you, or whether they are going to make you feel vindicated.

Which way are you leaning at the moment?

TheCobbleCreekMonster · 18/04/2026 15:19

IneedAniffler · 18/04/2026 13:55

Of course the fear is i lose business as all the FDs know each other and will certainly not think it bad enough to report to police. They will all give me a wide berth and say "you say the wrong thing around niffler and she'll kick off, report you to the police, no sense of humour these days"

I am always overbooked, I have found huge success and I feel like I'm where I belong doing this meaningful work - it is a total dream 99% of the time.

Then this happens or I get a sleazy message or hear something enormously racist (im not British by heritage but by birth) to have the general feeling that the outcome will be me being dropped because I'm a risk and will make a fuss is quite exhausting in an industry where reputation, word of mouth and networks is the way of doing things.

It might all be fine and they might respect my choice to report if I do

But my gut is telling me I'll come off worse. Sorry that makes for bleak reading doesn't it :(

I find it incredible that the FD and his wife continue to use this man. They know what he's like and continuing to use him as a bearer is condoning his shitty behaviour towards women.

Pessismistic · 18/04/2026 15:06

Op unfortunately you are the only who can decide what to do about this man. Op a legal route won’t be any better for your reputation than the police will it. Do you not think your reputation will keep you in business? It’s a sad situation that you have to let this man get away with this for you to carry on. Or maybe when you pick up jobs you ask if this bearer will be there so you can avoid him tell them why if necessary because it’s their reputation at stake as well I can’t get my head around a bearer joking at a funeral in any capacity tbh.

IneedAniffler · 18/04/2026 14:44

lottiegarbanzo · 18/04/2026 14:42

Won’t the crematorium be owned by a local authority? They do have legal departments and care about upholding standards, regulations, reputation.

When you speak to the crematorium manager it might be worth asking what their policy is on this sort of thing - allowing people subject to complaints of discriminatory and criminal activity to work in their premises.

They might choose to take action on their own behalf. e.g under the Equality Act they have a duty to further (not just uphold) equal opportunity for people with all characteristics specified in the act, including sex. They may not want to put themselves in a position where women feel discriminated against / unable to work safely at their premises.

Irs owned by Dignity LTD a private company

OP posts:
lottiegarbanzo · 18/04/2026 14:42

Won’t the crematorium be owned by a local authority? They do have legal departments and care about upholding standards, regulations, reputation.

When you speak to the crematorium manager it might be worth asking what their policy is on this sort of thing - allowing people subject to complaints of discriminatory and criminal activity to work in their premises.

They might choose to take action on their own behalf. e.g under the Equality Act they have a duty to further (not just uphold) equal opportunity for people with all characteristics specified in the act, including sex. They may not want to put themselves in a position where women feel discriminated against / unable to work safely at their premises.

MissFancyDay · 18/04/2026 14:29

IneedAniffler · 18/04/2026 13:55

Of course the fear is i lose business as all the FDs know each other and will certainly not think it bad enough to report to police. They will all give me a wide berth and say "you say the wrong thing around niffler and she'll kick off, report you to the police, no sense of humour these days"

I am always overbooked, I have found huge success and I feel like I'm where I belong doing this meaningful work - it is a total dream 99% of the time.

Then this happens or I get a sleazy message or hear something enormously racist (im not British by heritage but by birth) to have the general feeling that the outcome will be me being dropped because I'm a risk and will make a fuss is quite exhausting in an industry where reputation, word of mouth and networks is the way of doing things.

It might all be fine and they might respect my choice to report if I do

But my gut is telling me I'll come off worse. Sorry that makes for bleak reading doesn't it :(

It does make for bleak reading Op, sorry that this has happened. He deserves to have the book thrown at him, I can empathise completely with your delayed shock reaction to what happened.

Hopefully the FD will stick to his word and not hire this dinosaur again, and I would follow up with them on that, also letting him know why he has no longer been hired.

The most important person here is YOU and ultimately what is best for you in the long run. It has to be seen that you do not tolerate this behavior, however you need to ensure that your reputation is not damaged irreparably in a sexist industry if you intend to stay in it. For that reason I would not contact the police. It's a very difficult decision.

lottiegarbanzo · 18/04/2026 14:26

Apology is cheap and meaningless - he intentionally did a horrible thing then said the word sorry - so you have to forgive him, accept his deliberate assault and forfeit all right to complain? No.

He’s not sorry. It wasn’t an accident. He’s done it before and will do it again.

I would write my account of the event while it’s fresh.
Report to police - they may not do anything, or they may speak to him.
Speak to the funeral director, let them know you’ve reported the assault to the police. Follow up with a brief summary email, so they have that in writing.
Speak to the crematorium manager, let them know the same, follow up email.

That way everyone is clear this man has assaulted someone at their premises / in their employment and has been reported to the police. They cannot pretend it didn’t happen, they didn’t know, or pretend they believe a deliberate assault can be magicked away with the word sorry.

Nearly50omg · 18/04/2026 14:25

After reading all your posts I think uki
sjou Report him to the police as he’s assajlted you and he WILL do it again if not stopped! People will have more respect for you reporting him than ignoring it and frankly I think if we just keep lettingem
get away with this behaviour this
is why they carry on! Also
report the sexual harassment each and every time by other people! They get away with doing it again and again because we don’t!

Carnationbloom · 18/04/2026 14:25

ArtAngel · 18/04/2026 14:15

I was up all night recently reporting a violent incident outside my house and giving a lengthy statement to police.

He was beating a woman up.

She retaliated - but in the end they didn't prosecute him because 'no physical damage was done'.

Hence my scepticism about the police and how it could leave you worse off - him feeling vindicated and the FD feeling 'nothing for me to deal with'.

The FD KNOWS it is not OK because his own wife was upset and furious when it happened to her.

You did the right thing though. There may be reasons the police couldn’t pursue this occasion short of can’t be arsed but you have made the incident visible.

one thing not mentioned is that there may already be a history with the police about this guy. Unless he has a particular fetish for doing this at funerals, I would bet he has form in other locations and situations. As a student I was sexually harassed (not assaulted) by a college staff member. After putting up with it for a long time, I finally reported to the appropriate college authorities who asked if I would pursue. When I said yes, they broke into enormous smiles and I found out this guy had a track record of harassing young females and the college were relieved someone was prepared to make a statement so they had grounds to dismiss him, which they did though he appealed. Note this was not an assault, this needs the police, it was harassment; leering, inappropriate comments, standing close, witholding services that were part of his job…

ArtAngel · 18/04/2026 14:15

I was up all night recently reporting a violent incident outside my house and giving a lengthy statement to police.

He was beating a woman up.

She retaliated - but in the end they didn't prosecute him because 'no physical damage was done'.

Hence my scepticism about the police and how it could leave you worse off - him feeling vindicated and the FD feeling 'nothing for me to deal with'.

The FD KNOWS it is not OK because his own wife was upset and furious when it happened to her.

moderate · 18/04/2026 14:14

Foxglovex · 18/04/2026 13:09

We all have our own opinions, you would like him to swing. I think op is the best person to judge how far the punishment should go.

I notice you are not quoting me when I said I didn't think it was ok and I said it should be dealt with? I think someone is spoiling for a fight 🤔

You forgot to answer the question.

EstherGreenwood63 · 18/04/2026 14:11

Foxglovex · 18/04/2026 13:09

We all have our own opinions, you would like him to swing. I think op is the best person to judge how far the punishment should go.

I notice you are not quoting me when I said I didn't think it was ok and I said it should be dealt with? I think someone is spoiling for a fight 🤔

I'm a lover not a fighter... I see you were unable or unwilling to say how 'feeling' they wouldn't do it again might look. Ah well. I won't trouble you further.

Sam9769 · 18/04/2026 14:09

Inthenameoflove · 18/04/2026 12:05

It is sexual assault. I can’t imagine any jury would think slapping someone in a private area as they are about to take a funeral is ‘banter’. But regardless of whether CPS chose to prosecute it would be on record for the inevitable time he does something else and someone reports. Thats adds credibility to the victim. So it’s significant to report if you can even if you don’t know what the outcome will be. Sadly men like this are know to escalate. Very serious sexual offenders often started with this sort of behaviour that goes unchecked.

I've only been a criminal practitioner for over 30 years what would I know?

TalkingintheDark · 18/04/2026 14:07

deeahgwitch · 18/04/2026 13:59

If only other men would speak up and speak out @IneedAniffler
The Funeral Director knows what he is like, how he upset FD’s wife with similar behaviour and yet FD still employs him 🙄☹️FFS
Bad things happen because good people do nothing.
I’m sick of it.
Men not calling other men out on their behaviour.
Cowards.

Yes. This.

TalkingintheDark · 18/04/2026 14:06

IneedAniffler · 18/04/2026 13:55

Of course the fear is i lose business as all the FDs know each other and will certainly not think it bad enough to report to police. They will all give me a wide berth and say "you say the wrong thing around niffler and she'll kick off, report you to the police, no sense of humour these days"

I am always overbooked, I have found huge success and I feel like I'm where I belong doing this meaningful work - it is a total dream 99% of the time.

Then this happens or I get a sleazy message or hear something enormously racist (im not British by heritage but by birth) to have the general feeling that the outcome will be me being dropped because I'm a risk and will make a fuss is quite exhausting in an industry where reputation, word of mouth and networks is the way of doing things.

It might all be fine and they might respect my choice to report if I do

But my gut is telling me I'll come off worse. Sorry that makes for bleak reading doesn't it :(

I presumed this would be what was stopping you from just reporting it straightaway.

And I agree, you’re between a rock and a hard place.

It’s so crap this is STILL the situation in 2026.

Obviously you know these people and this environment, and the fact he was allowed to get away with doing it to the FD’s wife shows the extent to which they minimise it, but part of me wonders if they would actually respect you more if you did report him. Maybe they’re all secretly a bit sick of him too, but find it hard to take a stand when the culture of letting it slide is so ingrained, and would actually be grateful to you for taking this as seriously as it deserves.

But clearly I can’t make that call, and I don’t envy you having to do it.

I’m sorry you have to deal with this misogynistic, racist shit on the regular when you’re just trying to do your job, a job you clearly care deeply about and do extremely well. Flowers

TheSecretAgent1 · 18/04/2026 14:06

AgnesMcDoo · 18/04/2026 02:09

Report it to the police. It’s assault.

legal action will be costly and lengthy.

Edited

I doubt the police will do anything

fromthegecko · 18/04/2026 14:04

SusieMyersonAndAssociates · 18/04/2026 14:01

To be honest, the papers would love a story like this, considering the recent negative attention on FD.

I just saw @IneedAniffler 's update though - it looks like it might rebound: how depressing!

SusieMyersonAndAssociates · 18/04/2026 14:01

fromthegecko · 18/04/2026 14:00

A good reason to try for a caution or conviction, which would likely be reported in the local paper. Grieving relatives would be queuing up to not have him as bearer.

And the paper would love the story. What a headline! Coffin bearer convicted of sexually assaulting funeral officiant. A shame the OP isn't a vicar – that would sound even crazier.

To be honest, the papers would love a story like this, considering the recent negative attention on FD.