Only knickers in the Co-op

I'm not quite that old, but sometimes I'd like to go back to the fashions of the 50s...

I worked with a woman who had a little girl aged about five and she was horrified when she came into the living room and found her daughter dancing in front the of TV, with a music channel on.
She was wearing just her knickers and had pulled up her vest so it was like a crop top, before she could say anything the little one shouted "Look mummy, I'm Rhianna!!".

...but you are still struggling to wipe your bum/flush without anyone noticing. It is very tense!!!!

There's a difference between "underwear as outerwear" and just wearing actual underwear. Which as the name suggests, should be under something.

Underwear as outerwear is a fashion choice and quite frankly they don't look like m&s cotton knickers, they look like fancy hot pants etc. They were a thing when I was in my 20s as well - I had a sequinned pair. Worn with knickers and tights underneath!

As someone who was a punk rocker/Goth in the late 1970's/early 80's - leather jacket, black skinny jeans, dayglo socks, red patent leather brothel creepers, band t shirt, dyed hair and more make up than Joan Collins, I never really felt able to tell my kids "You're not going out dressed like that !!" 😀

Given that the ONS statistic that the overwhelming majority—nearly 100%—of individuals who commit in-person indecent exposure (flashing) are male, we can make an educated guess that young teen girls aren’t wearing their clothes to distress others.

I’m a conservatively dressed woman, and I do think that women are being sold a lie that being naked = empowerment, but I don’t subscribe to the view that you can’t look away from women’s bodies, you absolutely can.

I do think some people have completely lost perspective on what is reasonable. I do wonder whether seeing “celebrities” on social media etc has contributed to that. They see someone wearing pants and a bra to an awards ceremony or on a night out and think that is something appropriate or even expected for everyday wear.

My dd is at university and as part of the course had various sessions in settings such as GP practices, etc, interacting with patients, professionals and members of the public. She said the head of that course module had to send a message out to the students because some were turning up in completely inappropriate clothing - e.g. many of the male students turning up at their placements in baggy joggers pulled down to show their underwear.

Yes, sometimes it turns out to be no big deal, even when you find yourself sitting on the lavatory in the middle of the office.

Nobody else knows the actual motivation of people who dress in a boundary-pushing norm. All they can know is that the person likes to push boundaries in a public place, where other people have no option not to see it. They haven't 'accidentally forgotten' to put anything on that properly covers their underwear.

Unless you think that all women and (teenage) girls are innocent, delicate little flowers with no knowledge of sexuality at all?

You could report that person to Tesco.

Flashers are different because there is a documented correlation between flashers (vast majority of which are men) escalating their behaviour to sexually assaulting women.

There are public decency laws, and shops can also implement a dress code and ask people to leave it if they don’t adhere to it.

So yes, you can report people AND look away, you don’t have to stare to see how much the wind jiggles them, as one poster was doing.

Ive had dreams in the past that I have gone to work naked, and that nobody seemed to notice, just carried on with their workday 🤣🤣

I can't believe some posters are falling over themselves to try and defend this shit. Remember that next time you see me in Tesco fondling the tomatoes with my stray grey pubes hanging out of my flimsy Shein thong ... this is what you're advocating for.

Hard agree. Should people really have to be prepared at all times to look away from indecently dressed people while walking round the supermarket/ the high street?

Being provocative is not the same as being a perv, which is what that poster was saying these girls should be treated as.

Why should people have to look away when out in public, because somebody else ignores socially-accepted norms of decency? It's not about stopping to have a big leery ogle; you shouldn't have to see it and be forced to react defensively in the first place.

It's not unreasonable to want to walk around in public with your eyes open. Do you think the same for women if they're the targets of flashers in the park: as long as he isn't trying to approach or speak to you, they just need to look away and not try to shame him for dressing/undressing as he sees fit?

Oh oh has ArseintheCoopWindow arrived yet? The PERFECT thread for them...

I doubt it happened.

So you don't think that women and teenage girls have any interest in or knowledge about sex and sexuality and in attracting the opposite (or indeed the same) sex - in ways that they know are deliberately provocative or pushing social norms?

Who said anything about violence?

I was saying it's difficult for anyone to look away male or female at times.

Maybe if a bunch of Mumsnetters started walking around in just their knickers it would stop being trendy? It just seems ridiculous.

It’s not more difficult for men to look away. Their eyes have the same swivel ability as women’s. They don’t need to cop an eyeful.

Maybe when 97% of violence is committed by young girls we’ll start being as suspicious of them as we are of men.

Ah but apparently because that was the 1960s it was ok.

I do pause at those thong bikini bottoms . Basically it's your bare arse with string around it . OK if you are with a group of other young people but this girl I saw was with her family I presume . So her father mother and teen brother and sister. It just seeming such a jarring context . And they I start your wonder why I think that way . Like it's OK if you are tanned and hanging with others but not OK if you are a typical pasty white slightly chubby teen with your mum . Hard to know what is the right way to be thinking these days .