To think the junior / resident doctors are greedy, selfish, entitled & lazy?

Where does this end though. I mean they wanted a pay rise last year and got it. Next year they will all want a mansion, a Bentley and a free massage at work given by the nurses who always get completely shafted in and nhs pay award!

Well, they earn less than most of the bricklayers I've met. Although that will of course change with experience.

I honestly don't know. My views on this keep shifting.

What I do know from the usually fairly well informed, previously-supportive people I've heard/seen discussing this in rl, is that the junior doctors are seemingly at risk of purging public support.

The timing isn't great.

Doctors need to get on with being doctors. They should stop going on strike. If they want to earn more money they should do something else. They are already paid far more than most people.

Same.

We shouldn't be accepting the minimum.

I support the doctors strike 100%. Having worked in the nhs for years alongside doctors I think they are worth their weight in gold.

Oh yes,
those lazy bloody doctors. Barely lift a finger. Ffs, get a job.

Junior doctors asking for pay restoration for a job none of them were doing in 2008. You can say, if I’d been a junior doctor in 2008 I’d have earned this… well you weren’t. You knew what the pay was when you went into it. Sick of it.

"they should be made to work for the NHS in return"

Like some kind of indentured workers? It should be in their interests to work for the NHS. If the NHS treated them better, not half as many would want to go to Australia.

Carers too. I mean, they're not really unskilled as it takes a lot to care for someone, but they may be considered unskilled in terms of the qualifications required to start doing the job.

However skilled those other jobs are, doctors keep us safe, healthy and alive and should be paid more than most of those other ones.

Warehouse operative?

Which of these are unskilled?

The working conditions are appalling.

We, taxpayers spend over £200,000 training each med student. They should be made to work for the NHS in return, as dentists will be - through a tie-in as Government have announced. And then not allowed to strike.

Junior doctors who go to Aus, NZ Canada etc almost all come back and work back in the NHS after a while. And global competition cuts both ways- securing jobs is not as easy now for uk graduates as it was 10 years ago. They are less attractive than they used to be.

i don’t support them as they are seriously unrealistic about the state of the economy. Everyone is struggling and there are some very bright graduates with excellent qualifications who can’t even get jobs. Training on the job graduate level jobs are far more poorly paid than 20 years ago as we are a poorer country.

"when the profession is over supplied."

How can this be?

The money comes from where?

But you will one day and then you will complain that you are not being seen quick enough, you are on a corridor for days in hospital not getting adequate care, no one having time to answer the buzzer if you are really poorly

This. I’m a nurse graduating in 2012 and we’ve never had a pay rise in line with inflation properly so we’ve effectively had a pay cut year on year since qualifying. I’ve worked my way up- done a masters, different courses, spent a lot of time and money to get to a senior specialist nurse and our ceiling is so low compared to doctors.
It’s hard looking back at the past and seeing how far wages went compared to now I get that. The doctors I know don’t work any harder than any of my other friends in their various careers tbh. They need to accept the decent offer they had (still better than any teacher or nurses offers) and crack on.

I don’t think they’re lazy but I do think they’re tone deaf. They absolutely lost me when I was listening to a junior doctor on the radio who complained that some nurses were earning more than him. Yes, those nurses will have been qualified for absolute years, probably have their masters and helped junior doctors out of many a hole.

DS2 is an advanced nurse practitioner who will be doing extra shifts to help cover for these strikes. He’ll get gain financially but will miss time with his 2yo.

YANBU. Very much so.

They are money-grabbing avaricious entitled me me MEs, always with their grubby little hands out blackmailing the British public, who yes, do pay their wages.

It already costs us over £200k to train these people into a job, often with an almost guarantee of employment (who else gets that ffs?!), loads of choice for where they go and specialise and which will get them earning well into six figures after not that many years, placing them in the top earning few percent.

If they want to earn more, go and work for the big four, or management consultancy or whatever else gives you the big bucks which mean so much to them. Medicine is a vocation and I do not want to be treated by a clinician who is driven by pound signs.

There are over ten applicants, with the required A level grades, for every med school place. Schools need to get better at offering places to better candidates who really feel the vocation, and let those who want kerching kerching most, to follow another career path.

And the BMA offer their OWN staff just 2.75%?!!! They can and should just fuck off.

Government needs to take action NOW to stop these people being able to strike as other professions like the police etc. They need to stop them holding vulnerable scared people to ransom.

Greedy I'd say. They knew the salary when they started training. Glad I don't need a doctor. If I did I'd be looking for them in the caviar section of Waitrose.

I think you might find many are not striking. The doctor in my family is not nor many of her colleagues. They think the BMA is not being realistic.

The money is there to pay quadruple time to locum shifts? £90 per hour some get on locum.

Someone once said giving them the pay rise they're asking for would cost 1/3 of the current expenditure associated with strikes.

We NEED doctors. Within reason, pay them what they want!