To think the junior / resident doctors are greedy, selfish, entitled & lazy?

The spending is unlikely to reach them…rather large corporations, drone technology..see for example body armour in Afghanistan. Huge spending on corporate profit and data gathering, facial recognition and other controls to be applied to civilians

It strikes me Op that you know absolutely nothing about a resident Doctors hours or associated tasks. It's only once they get to this stage they realise the extent of their responsibilities.

I support them…I think they demonstrated their wage was effectively £14 per hour. That they have had a massive pay cut. Isn’t it something like 22% across the years. They are working in a deliberately underfunded system..with Dr unemployment a huge issue. I fear the current government are alienating people we really need to care (for us)

It’s not money spent on war, though, it’s money spent on defence. And I’d quite like my son, and his colleagues, to have the correct and safe equipment to do his job just because he chose to join the military. Look at the world around you, right now, we’re in a very precarious position. Our military needs equipment and a lot of it swiftly.

I support them.

i don’t understand how doctors are still pushing for more and the nurses unions are accepting below inflation offers. Nurses also work really hard, accrue a lot of university debt and have lives in their hands. They earn only a few pounds above national wage.

Surely some of the resident doctors get a much higher hourly rate than that as they have been qualified for years.

‘Extras’ is a bit of a weird way of putting it, makes it sound like some kind of bonus. From what I understand the base salary for standard hours is 38K but it ends up being higher than that as night shifts are paid more (rightly so!) And, again from what I understand, this is based on a 48h week, which is pretty high.

Holy fuck is that all they get?

Appreciate I work part time but Im on more than that per hour and whilst it is a niche job and I am a freelancer, my highest official educational level is GCSE, and I am not saving lives, I am sat in my own home behind a desk!

No, based on that alone, they're not being greedy selfish entitled or lazy.

They get enough. Next we'll have the teachers out and let's face it they only do 9-3.30 for 39 weeks a year.

Also a lot of ppl who would not even get onto the medicine course at uni, so even with 3 A* A levels you are not guaranteed a place. They have worked their arises off through school,college and uni, work very very lo g hours,often have little support as short staffed every where and very stressful interactions with colleagues and patients not to mention families of patients. Yes I support them, no I am no where near being clever enough to have even been considered.

Exactly - a huge percentage of UK trained doctors can’t get a job after their foundation training ( year 2 post qualification) . This is because the NHS opens posts to non UK qualified doctors AND the government subsidises allied health professionals such as nurses and physician assistants to do the job ( or some of it) .
The issue is you can’t achieve a medical qualification in 2 years so those doing the job need supervising by doctors

I don’t believe they’re lazy however all the extra time they put in to get their hours up that they talk about, they are paid overtime for. This is at a higher rate than their normal pay. I don’t believe for one second I’m afraid that they now deserve a greater pay rise than any other person in the public sector.

And this post should be publicised more widely. Straight from the horses mouth and telling the truth about the salaries that the BMA repeatedly lie about to garner sympathy. An FY1 does not get just £36k salary, by the time the extras are added in, it is £42k if not more. That's a huge amount for some fresh out of university. The entitlement is outstanding.

That's not entirely true.

My son works in A and E and could his job quicker if they had enough rooms too see patients.

I find posts like this a bit weird as unless you examined all the government budgets in detail how can you confidently say there is or isn’t the money?

I could tell you the dept of agriculture underspends by £6bn per year and you wouldn’t have a clue whether it was true or not

Where would we get the money from?

We'll take them. We'll pay them a lot more too! And appreciate them. (Waves from Australia.)

The amount of work that has been pushed onto nurses and pharmacists makes you wonder why the doctors pay is going up at all. A family member had cancer chemotherapy for over 2 years and only saw a doctor for the diagnosis and initial prescription, rest of it was done by the oncology nurses or pharmacists. Scans and reassessments were done by the radiology assistants (not sure if that's what they were actually called but they weren't docs.

Well said.

umm no. A doctor carries the can for anything they do wrong, just like any other healthcare professional.

I reckon a lot of good would come of upping wages of actual employed home carers (not uc deemed carers) and support workers, bet lots of old folk would suddenly be treated better and not bed block every damn hospital countrywide (my county hospital has to be 90% and only cause there is a kids ward with 12 beds).

I speak as a doctor - I do not support the strikes.
This generation of resident doctors have the best working conditions of the last 40 yrs with the lowest number of weekly average hours than any previous generation. That is not to say that conditions can not improve further but am heartily sick of my fellow professional colleagues quoting hours and working conditions of 20 yrs ago which they do not experience and have no understanding of.

The last pay rise was significant and all professions would like pay restoration but that will bankrupt the country. They are no more worthy than physios, nurses etc who should have the same - this aspect of their campaign is unrealistic.

The belief they should have monies now and the gap between a resident and a consultant of 20yrs is not big - showing a lack of respect for experience and learning.

Pay a senior resident on 44 hrs per week is grossing 95K +
A first year resident on 44 hrs per week is grossing 44-52K

These are no small salaries and sorry lots of jobs people train for a long time and have a lot of qualifications

Every resident doctor has time to take a pee and eat something in a shift - this is bad time management and a lack of self care.

Lack of jobs - is complex and does need some work done on it but the expectation that I will have a job in the area I want to live, never move for experience, be paid a decent salary, reduce my hours, not work weekends and out of hours, in the speciality I want when I want regardless of my suitability is not a great attitude to have. Would love to see all these unemployed doctors we were told would happen - where are they, being in a job that is not a training job but being paid and still learning does not mean you are unemployed which some of them seem to think it does.

If they were campaigning for a reduction in student loan interest for all students they would garner my full support but this I can not support. It is entitled and tone deaf.

Bloody hell if they are only on £18 an hour that is a disgrace and all those posters thinking they don’t deserve more need to cop on.