To think the junior / resident doctors are greedy, selfish, entitled & lazy?

This is an out of date argument. Current working conditions for Doctors and nurses are absolutely horrendous.

No they are not, some shifts are stressful and others not - please tell me what is horrendous.

And every doctor and nurse has time for a pee and sandwich on a shift - as I said previously.

But the new ones weren't signed up to anything in 2008. My DH is studying medicine in London. He was a toddler in 2008. So the newly qualified ones were probably n primary school. So it's what they signed up for more in 2019/20

They are holding the government to ransom now . After all they’ve took strike action 15 times in 3 years !!! That smacks of taking the proverbial P … it has to stop

The work is there obviously, in terms of patient needs. A huge number of people are on NHS waiting lists.

What is missing is PAID work and this is a deliberate political decision.

The NHS long term plan is essentially very doctor- lite, with non doctors delivering healthcare. Lots of appointments with non doctors, instead of a doctor who is needed to see and sort.

Expect this to get much worse over the coming years.

Whatever they call it, it's not medicine.

MP's get paid a touch under 100k, no training required. If we don't treat our junior doctors well they will leave for countries with better pay.

Exactly what I was going to say and a lot of cleaners get cash in hand in some areas.

And even so I think a dr should be paid more.

What proportion of resident doctors are actually striking?

It's difficult to take the BMA seriously as a professional institution, bearing in mind the fact that the BMA staff is striking internally due to perceived unfairness and grievances.

They are not a good advert for professionalism but a very good one for hard left political dogma rather than the needs of resident doctors.

They are playing a super role as Assasin for the credibility of the medical profession rather than as a professional and supportive association.

I agree. You can spend a couple of grand on a HGV licence and be passed within a week, and earn £50k as a new pass as drivers are in demand. You'll work longish hours but not as many as a doctor and it won't be nearly as stressful. I was getting paid almost £400 a night on HS2 and was normally doing just shy of four hours. Sometimes five on a busier night.

A year one resident doctor and a first year teacher earn about the same in Scotland. You’re referring to their FY salary, which is a training salary and about the same as a probationary teacher.

The country is not poorer. The greedy twats exploiting us all are richer. The underfunding of public services that has led Drs to this dreadful situation is a political decision. If my pay (comparable profession) for the job I had in 2004 had kept its buying power, that role would now pay in the high 70s k. It actually pays about 59k. And the workload/stress is a lot higher. Our Drs shouldn't have to look to the antipodes to earn a wage that reflects their skill level, with a work/life balance that optimises the effectiveness of their endeavours.

9 years is a long time and it’s not a guarantee !! During this time the they’re being worked to death. Most are going to collapse by the time they are consultants, or be too drained to even give a shit. It’s too long and they need to be paid and compensated properly in the interim.

They don’t very often and it’s a poor career move to ask, apparently.

Reading this thread, it’s sad there is no much judgement together with so much ignorance.

Your fault for not training as a doctor if you knew all this tbh.

Yes that’s low for the skill set they have.

They will either get what they want or they won't.

In Scotland a teacher in their first year of teaching (after qualifying year) is paid around 43k.

And yet a junior dr gets 38k? That’s not right. They should be paid more and I think it’s absolutely shocking to describe them as greedy and entitled. It’s a really hard job and they save lives.

I mean they're absolutely not greedy or lazy or selfish or entitled.

I think everyone should just be really aware that the media have a strong agenda in how they are reporting this, what aspects they cover, the slant they take and who they get on air to talk about it. If you were to sit down with a junior doctor and they covered their actual true point of view, I think the majority of people would overwhelmingly support them.

@Manxexile are you taking the piss?
The pay is dreadful. Do you know how many years it takes to be a consultant and the hoops you have to jump through ?
Doctors have to pay for their parking. They don’t even have time to even sip some water let alone take a lunch break. They are on their feet all day, think 20,000 steps over a 12 hour shift without eating or drinking. This is not even legal, but somehow acceptable in this unique profession. You would not do it unless you are a curious, intelligent and caring person.

After tax and contributions as it’s already been explained up thread, the pay is £14 an hour. They also usually have to move once a year before they get a training post to be a consultant. Most doctors I know how very poor mental health because the work life balance is dreadful. Wes Streeting is talking shit, please don’t listen.
@MyFAFOera No, it’s not rapid. Please get your facts straight. It takes years to become a consultant and you have to win a place on a highly competitive training post (of which there are very limited seats)

They do go home after shifts. They get onetime if they don’t. Started earlier this year. The Times had details today.

They often don’t even get time to go to the loo. But , hey, keep slagging them off. Maybe they’ll start going home at shifts’s end instead of doing free overtime to ensure your relative’s problem is sorted, because they know there won’t be time for the next shift to do it. Then you can come on Mumsnet and slag them off for incompetence. Again.

I’m so sorry my child is a doctor and putting up with so many ungrateful people.

I think they work hard but so do other professions. Social worker here with only 3.2% on the table.

Yes the media are really good at digging out first year junior docs or people who are actually working part time and quoting seemingly low salaries - first and second year doctors are technically still in training so yes the pay is low much like in professions like accountancy and architecture where while training the salaries aren't that high - but the point is they are on a track whuch pretty rapidly takes them to much higher salaries.

I work with doctors too and am married to one.. a taxi home?!? Where does this happen? As for paid breaks?? Very rarely although I gave up counting the amount of post call days he was supposed to be at home that he went in and covered someone else’s shift for free. It shouldn’t be a race to the bottom - most professionals are underpaid and treated badly in the UK.