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AIBU to feel uneasy about male staff in nurseries?

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Beautifulsiro56 · 06/04/2026 22:56

Males working in my cbildrends nursery- makes me feel so uncomfortable
Why would a male want to work in a nursery? Most nursery abuse cases are men.
Men shouldn't be allowed to work in nurseries? AIBU

OP posts:
GlovedhandsCecilia · 08/04/2026 17:57

JaneySeemore · 08/04/2026 15:50

You know some men actually love children and enjoy being around them. It's so fucking sad that this is alien to you

It's not alien to me. No man other than my husband, DD's dad, ever provided intimate care for her. And before you start frothing about dads abusing their kids, that's a risk you have take as a mother but you don't have to permit a male nursery worker to change your toddler. If you're happy to, fine. I wasn't.

It obviously is but thats ok..lots of people are from.cultures where men do not display caring qualities and therefore it is foreign to them.

GlovedhandsCecilia · 08/04/2026 17:56

CharlotteRumpling · 08/04/2026 14:20

So weird.
If you don't want a male nursery worker, you must of course have kids sitting in their own shit! Stands to reason.

No you wont, but the fact that you think men wouldn't choose to be in a caring role means you are also probably married to a man who leaves you to do all the housework and childcare like most of the perpetually exhausted women on this site.

JumpinJellyfish · 08/04/2026 17:13

Peonies12 · 08/04/2026 14:10

We have two male staff at our nursery, i think it's great to show children that men can work in caring professions. You need to challenge your own gender stereotypes.

Male role models in teaching are great.

But babies at nursery are not going to remember who cared for them. It’s a poor argument for subjecting your child to a risk (however small you consider it to be).

JaneySeemore · 08/04/2026 15:50

You know some men actually love children and enjoy being around them. It's so fucking sad that this is alien to you

It's not alien to me. No man other than my husband, DD's dad, ever provided intimate care for her. And before you start frothing about dads abusing their kids, that's a risk you have take as a mother but you don't have to permit a male nursery worker to change your toddler. If you're happy to, fine. I wasn't.

OtterlyAstounding · 08/04/2026 15:28

GlovedhandsCecilia · 08/04/2026 14:18

These are the same women who complain their husbsnd won't lift a finger at home and leave their kids sat in their own shit.

Edited

I see that for lack of any actual argument, you're once again just making petty, unfounded personal jabs.

Do you actually have anything of worth to say, or are you only capable of casting aspersions?

QuintadosMalvados · 08/04/2026 15:11

Peonies12 · 08/04/2026 14:10

We have two male staff at our nursery, i think it's great to show children that men can work in caring professions. You need to challenge your own gender stereotypes.

Nope.
The gender stereotype is that the vast, vast majority of paedophiles are men.
Indeed it is not a stereotype it is the truth.

It is also true that those who have the tendency will naturally gravitate towards jobs that mean they spend a lot of time around children where there is an excuse to touch them intimately.
This should be blindingly obvious.

That's all anybody needs to know.
And it is surely enough to make anybody think, 'Nope, that guy is going nowhere near my child.'

They need to be banned from giving intimate care to children.

Besides which, it is just plain weird that a man - out of all the things he could do for a living for more money- picks this.
This is my personal opinion.

I've said it before, when it comes to this stuff about gender stereotypes can go to heck. I. Don't. Care.

abracadabra1980 · 08/04/2026 14:34

I wouldn't like it at all. Call it a mother's instinct...

CharlotteRumpling · 08/04/2026 14:20

GlovedhandsCecilia · 08/04/2026 14:18

These are the same women who complain their husbsnd won't lift a finger at home and leave their kids sat in their own shit.

Edited

So weird.
If you don't want a male nursery worker, you must of course have kids sitting in their own shit! Stands to reason.

GlovedhandsCecilia · 08/04/2026 14:18

Peonies12 · 08/04/2026 14:10

We have two male staff at our nursery, i think it's great to show children that men can work in caring professions. You need to challenge your own gender stereotypes.

These are the same women who complain their husbsnd won't lift a finger at home and leave their kids sat in their own shit.

PartQualifiedAcca · 08/04/2026 14:17

MyLuckyHelper · 08/04/2026 14:17

Could you share where you've found that information?

As an aside I'm not sure blaming mothers for not knowing fathers are likely abusers is fair. Much abuse occurs without warning signs.

Regardless, it doesn't matter if it's 2% or 100% of fathers, the point remains the same. If we're judging all members of a population by the actions of some - then all fathers have to be thought of as a potential risk, surely?

You can just google it
This isn’t new fresh information
in 58% of the cases you can in fact blame the mother because there are other factors involved that would be sufficient for most women to remove the father from the home for drug and alcohol abuse alone without the added sexual abuse of the child

MyLuckyHelper · 08/04/2026 14:17

PartQualifiedAcca · 08/04/2026 14:10

In sexual abuse cases in the under sevens 2% of the perpetrator, caught obviously
Are the biological fathers and in 58% of those cases there were other factors of risk included including substance abuse and alcohol, alcoholism
So it would be difficult for the mother in that scenario to claim that she wasn’t aware of his issues with the biological father. It would be equally difficult for social services not to be aware.
But statistically 98% of sexual abuse cases are perpetrated by somebody other than the biological father.

Could you share where you've found that information?

As an aside I'm not sure blaming mothers for not knowing fathers are likely abusers is fair. Much abuse occurs without warning signs.

Regardless, it doesn't matter if it's 2% or 100% of fathers, the point remains the same. If we're judging all members of a population by the actions of some - then all fathers have to be thought of as a potential risk, surely?

Peonies12 · 08/04/2026 14:10

We have two male staff at our nursery, i think it's great to show children that men can work in caring professions. You need to challenge your own gender stereotypes.

PartQualifiedAcca · 08/04/2026 14:10

MyLuckyHelper · 08/04/2026 14:02

Dads abuse children too... that's my entire point. Either everyone is a risk, based on the behaviours of others in their population (male nursery workers, dads, female nursery workers etc) or they aren't.

In sexual abuse cases in the under sevens 2% of the perpetrator, caught obviously
Are the biological fathers and in 58% of those cases there were other factors of risk included including substance abuse and alcohol, alcoholism
So it would be difficult for the mother in that scenario to claim that she wasn’t aware of his issues with the biological father. It would be equally difficult for social services not to be aware.
But statistically 98% of sexual abuse cases are perpetrated by somebody other than the biological father.

CharlotteRumpling · 08/04/2026 14:08

MyLuckyHelper · 08/04/2026 14:02

Dads abuse children too... that's my entire point. Either everyone is a risk, based on the behaviours of others in their population (male nursery workers, dads, female nursery workers etc) or they aren't.

I suppose we have different appetites for risk.
I see it like a seatbelt in a car.

MyLuckyHelper · 08/04/2026 14:02

CharlotteRumpling · 08/04/2026 13:38

The only male relative my kids have been left alone with is their dad.
Some of the points you mention have been covered upthread.

Dads abuse children too... that's my entire point. Either everyone is a risk, based on the behaviours of others in their population (male nursery workers, dads, female nursery workers etc) or they aren't.

PartQualifiedAcca · 08/04/2026 13:50

MyLuckyHelper · 08/04/2026 13:25

Haven't RTFT. But more children are abused by their own fathers than by male nursery workers. Does that mean we should prevent all men from having access to their own children?

There is of course an element of risk in all aspects of allowing other people to care for your children, so if that (understandably) is a risk you don't want to take - then the only viable solution is for you not to use childcare - either paid or family/friends.

Thats not true, in sexual abuse cases the biological father is rare. They have an interest in the childs survival and they look like the father in most cases until puberty.
Once they start to look more like the mother it becomes apparent that step fathers find them attractive. And given its the most searched for pornography many have a keen interest it seems.
But little children are in most danger from strangers who have unsupervised access to them. No interest in the childs survival and perverse nature is not a good mix

oldshprite · 08/04/2026 13:42

recent case in switzerland too. male worker abused kids in one city, concerns were raised, not enough evidence, police did not do anything. fascinating he was able to find work in another nursery where he continued the abuse - this time they found video evidence. swiss are really into using work references - in most non corporate jobs you need one from your prior workplace so its super worrying that he was able to circumvent this. id never leave my small children to be looked after in a nursery with male workers, based on this ..

CharlotteRumpling · 08/04/2026 13:38

MyLuckyHelper · 08/04/2026 13:37

of course they do, but the point still remains. a huge number of male relatives abuse their children - so assuming they're all a risk (as the OP is doing with male nursery workers), then they all ought to be kept at bay?

Women have been found guilty of abuse in nurseries too, so handing our children over is always going to be a risk!

The only male relative my kids have been left alone with is their dad.
Some of the points you mention have been covered upthread.

MyLuckyHelper · 08/04/2026 13:37

CharlotteRumpling · 08/04/2026 13:29

More men have access to their own kids than do nursery workers, so the stats will be skewed of course! And only 2% of nursery workers are men.

I see it as doing what I can to avoid unnecessary risk. I easily found a nursery with no men ( admittedly a long time ago).

of course they do, but the point still remains. a huge number of male relatives abuse their children - so assuming they're all a risk (as the OP is doing with male nursery workers), then they all ought to be kept at bay?

Women have been found guilty of abuse in nurseries too, so handing our children over is always going to be a risk!

CharlotteRumpling · 08/04/2026 13:29

MyLuckyHelper · 08/04/2026 13:25

Haven't RTFT. But more children are abused by their own fathers than by male nursery workers. Does that mean we should prevent all men from having access to their own children?

There is of course an element of risk in all aspects of allowing other people to care for your children, so if that (understandably) is a risk you don't want to take - then the only viable solution is for you not to use childcare - either paid or family/friends.

More men have access to their own kids than do nursery workers, so the stats will be skewed of course! And only 2% of nursery workers are men.

I see it as doing what I can to avoid unnecessary risk. I easily found a nursery with no men ( admittedly a long time ago).

AntiqueBabyLoanSmurf · 08/04/2026 13:27

marcyhermit · 07/04/2026 12:34

Is that what you think 🤔

Of course I don't. I'm just not seeing why it's a bad thing for nursery workers to do fun and exciting things for children, and not just the mundane stuff. I'm sure that staff in all good nurseries would prioritise this for their young cares - why does it have anything to do with their sex? Do good parents of babies and toddlers just routinely ignore them until they need a change or a feed?

Naturally, if any male or female worker is neglecting the basic essential duties and leaving them for others to pick up, whilst they ONLY do fun stuff, then that's a case for management to raise and stamp it out/begin a disciplinary.

MyLuckyHelper · 08/04/2026 13:25

Haven't RTFT. But more children are abused by their own fathers than by male nursery workers. Does that mean we should prevent all men from having access to their own children?

There is of course an element of risk in all aspects of allowing other people to care for your children, so if that (understandably) is a risk you don't want to take - then the only viable solution is for you not to use childcare - either paid or family/friends.

OtterlyAstounding · 08/04/2026 13:11

marcyhermit · 08/04/2026 10:34

I think you're adding together too many stats that aren't linked.
The important ones to me are - 4% of men would have sexual contact with a child under 10 if they could get away with it.
and
Men who have sexual feelings towards children (I believe this was of any age) are 2.73 more likely to work with children than those who don't.
So maybe from that you can assume that around 10% of men who work with children would have sex with children under 10 if they could get away with it.

Ah, thank you! I was sure I had to be going wrong somewhere. So 24% for all under 18s, but roughly more around 10% for under 10s?

Still, even 10% is terribly high, especially considering how many victims one offender alone can have.

marcyhermit · 08/04/2026 10:34

OtterlyAstounding · 08/04/2026 00:44

To bring up the accurate stats from the Australian study (PDF link) as they're often misrepresented regarding the '1 in 6' stat -

"Six survey items were used to determine if men had any sexual feelings towards people below the age of 18 years. These were:

  • Has sexual feelings towards people below the age of 18 years (3.4%);
  • Would have sexual contact with a child between 12 to 14 years if no one would find out (5.7%);
  • Would have sexual contact with a child between 10 to 12 years if no one would find out (4.6%);
  • Would have sexual contact with a child younger than 10 years if no one would find out (4.0%);
  • Has concerns about sexual feelings towards people below the age of 18 years (4.5%);
  • The lowest age they typically find attractive is under 18 years (5.7%)."

So, the '1 in 6' includes under 18s. But 4% of men would have sexual contact with a child younger than 10 - the relevant aspect for nursery. Which gives us 4 out of 100. But -

"Men with sexual feelings towards children who have offended against children [...] are almost one in twenty men in the Australian community" and they "had 2.73 greater odds of working with children compared to men who did not have sexual feelings or offending with children."

In addition, "Men with sexual feelings who wanted help were more than twice as likely to work with children compared to men with sexual feelings who didn’t want help."

So let's make both those who have offended, and those who have (yet) but have paedophiliac feelings, combined at 6 times more likely.

I'm not great with numbers (so correct me if I'm wrong), but I think that means that statistically speaking, 24% of men working with children have sexual feelings for children, with approximately 10.92% having already offended sexually against children.

That seems worryingly high - have I gone wrong somewhere with my maths?

I think you're adding together too many stats that aren't linked.
The important ones to me are - 4% of men would have sexual contact with a child under 10 if they could get away with it.
and
Men who have sexual feelings towards children (I believe this was of any age) are 2.73 more likely to work with children than those who don't.
So maybe from that you can assume that around 10% of men who work with children would have sex with children under 10 if they could get away with it.

marcyhermit · 08/04/2026 10:21

FryingPam · 08/04/2026 08:23

How do people ‘choose a nursery where no men work’? Do you actually ask them if they have a ‘no men’ policy (would this even be legal?) or do you just check the staff page for any men? And if so, what if a staff member gets ill and they get a temp worker in who happens to be male? Or if they happen to employ a man as a permanent employee next month?

Only a tiny number of nurseries have male staff so it isn't really an issue to avoid them.
I have three children who have attended 4 nurseries between them and none have had any men working there.

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