AIBU to feel uneasy about male staff in nurseries?

It's all based on guesses and surmisement with you, isn't it, while you ignore any and all statistics and facts?

The fact remains:

• Men are 32 times more likely to sexually abuse children
• 4% of males aren't just opportunistic abusers, but are specifically attracted to under‐10s.
• Men are nearly 3x more likely to work with children if they're sexually attracted to them
• Despite consistently being only around 3% of nursery workers, studies show that as far back as the 70s, men have committed the vast majority of sex abuses in nurseries, and the most extreme sex crimes.
• Currently the UK is not keeping data on the number of male (or female) nursery workers who are committing sexual abuse, or what their crimes are, so it's impossible to tell the scope of the issue in the UK at the current time.

Given all those things, I'm not sure why any person would be in favour of men working in nurseries. If 'male role models' are soooo important, then have DBS checked and supervised grandfather volunteers come in a few times a week like my children's kindergarten did, to read to them, bake a cake, do the dishes, teach them how to do woodwork, bring in animals, etc etc.

We know that women pose a far lesser risk of sex crimes than men. So I cannot imagine there are a wealth of women taking photographs of children's genitals.

And I imagine men equally aren't caught doing that; I'm not sure why 'trust' would make one oblivious to a woman taking photographs of a child's genitals in a nursery. I would think it far more likely that men (and a small percentage of women) are taking them unseen, in the few moments they're alone while changing a nappy, as does happen with workers of both sexes in busy nurseries.

Besides, as I said, one man raped at least 12 children and put semen in the food of hundreds of others before he was caught, so what's your point, exactly?

Not to mention, while both are terrible, photographs alone are not as bad as penetratively raping a 5 month old (something I shouldn't have to point out).

As I believe I said, however, my children didn't go to nursery. They went to kindergarten, accompanied by me, and otherwise were always in my care or my husband's care, while young.

I don't remember hearing of a woman convicted on sexually abusing children in nursery in over a decade, whereas there have been three men convicted in the last few months.
What makes you think most cases are women?

Nonsense

Most cases in nurseries have been from female staff, so although you feel that males don’t belong it’s not because they are more likely to abuse.

All I know about all the nursery paedophiles that have been convicted in the last 6 months is what has been reported on - I really can't guess at whether the police and courts have missed something. I don't hold any other beliefs about them.

I agree she hasn't been caught with images she took. I think you're naive if you think a paedophile who worked in a nursery, touted for babysitting jobs and was caught with any indecent images didnt take advantage of children in their care.

She will be out in 2 years or so.

Laidlaw said her offences were revealed after a man she was in contact with online was arrested.
He said she had distributed category A images - the most serious category - four times.
One featured a child who appeared to be aged under two being sexually abused.
She had been in contact with people who used usernames including "Mr Bad" and "Pervert", the judge was told.
Laidlaw said Lancashire had been in possession of more than 150 images - 113 of which were category A.
He said she had, in messages, claimed to have abused children in her care - but had not been charged with any offences relating to children in her care.

Some bizarre views here. No one is saying women are harmless, but they are overwhelmingly less likely to be paedophiles than men (2% vs 98% of paedophile convictions of women vs men).

I also don’t think anyone is saying people overlook it when women act inappropriately - where are you getting that from?

But in schools, particularly secondary schools, the male teachers won't be toileting the pupils. In a nursery they will.

There's more explanation of making and distributing images here:
https://www.lawtonslaw.co.uk/resources/making-vs-distribution-what-indecent-images-charges-actually-mean/#What_does_making_indecent_images_mean

It's not the same as taking images.

Making and distributing images doesn't mean taking photos, it means forwarding, downloading, saving etc.
If you read the article it says:
The Crown Prosecution Service said "making" an image included opening an email attachment or downloading a website image.

Det Insp Fay Tooley, from Hertfordshire Police, said: "Lancashire has been brought to justice for the offences she committed, and while our investigation found they didn't involve the physical abuse of children, they are still of an extremely serious nature."

"Zara Lancashire admits making and distributing indecent child images and publishing obscene articles."

I don't think she took any photos 🤔
But again, I wasn't involved with the investigation so I literally have no more idea what she did or didn't do than the police or courts.

Her only phone? Do you think she would take sexual pictures of children to share with other paedophiles, but not touch them? Is that how you think female paedophiles work, or all paedophiles?

I don’t know. I would definitely not be the person I am today and I would not have received a good education if I’d have been home educated so I can see the advantages of children mixing in the wider community.
But I can’t disagree with your comments about guilty until proven innocent not the other way around.
I met a headteacher once who told me that they didn’t have paedophiles around here because it was a nice area
Complacencies got to be the biggest threat to children

I would definitely guess the police examined her phone pretty closely and would have noticed if she'd been taking photos herself.
The police and courts found she hadn't physically abused any children and I certainly don't have any more insight than they do.

Im asking you to guess based on what you think a paedophile might do. Do you think a paedophile who is taking sexual images of children and sharing them will say "no, i won't do that to the kids at work, their parents trust me!" Or do you think they'll exploit any child they have the opportunity to sexually abuse?

I'm not in the police so have no background information about the investigation.

The reality is that the women taking pictures of children and sharing them in paedophile rings probably haven't been caught because people trust women so much. So while you're moving your child from a nursery with an innocent man, you have put them with a woman who Will never be caught for what she does or did to your child.

Do.you think Zara (who regularly touted for babysitting.jobs on her social media accounts) drew the line at kids from work? Or do you think its more likely she just didnt get caught with images of the children she took sexual pictures of at work?

Men and women shouldn’t work in nurseries unless they’ve been proven 100% innocent through several tests beforehand. There must be some way to show who is trustworthy and who isn’t, right?

I don't conform to the notion that men are automatically abusers and women are harmless; history and life experience have taught me that things aren't black and white.

I’m a SAHM, a type often maligned and despised on Mumsnet, and I never used nurseries—thankfully, given the current situation. Just sprinkling in a bit of sarcasm here.

People overlook it when women act inappropriately with young children, yet react strongly when men do the same. Men are quickly labeled as abusers, while women are seen as harmless, which is just wrong—no one should touch children that way. I don’t understand why people here view women as harmless; it’s such a wrong, outdated, incorrect, and unfair mindset. No human being is truly harmless. Personally, I believe it’s safest to treat everyone as guilty until proven innocent. I’ve never felt comfortable leaving my children alone with someone I don’t know well, whether man or woman. People can be seriously messed up, no matter who they are.

I'm such a huge supporter of home education. With technology advancing so quickly, online learning is taking off, and it’s honestly a safer setup for everyone.

When you consider the Australia for example only just introduced a national DBS system in 2017 and prior to that you could commit murder in one state and work with children in another completely unhindered, the Australian university that conducted the research is actually light years ahead of the schools nurseries and daycare facilities implementing it on a day-to-day basis.

The US and the UK aren’t even conducting this research. How far behind are we?

YANBU. Men shouldn’t be allowed to work in nurseries - the risks are far too high.

I’m so sick of woke nonsense that puts men’s feelings above children’s safety.