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Will antisemitism ever be looked at and dealt with in the same way as Islamophobia is?

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LucyWestenra · 01/04/2026 15:32

AIBU for thinking it won’t? Because it doesn’t seem to be the case in this country or my home country (Germany).

(I just googled because it didn’t seem right to have antisemitism in lower capitals, but apparently that is correct, as I thought)

Much love to the Jewish community, wherever they are.

❤️

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LucyWestenra · 01/04/2026 16:14

ViolaPlains · 01/04/2026 16:10

It’s not been so far so I don’t think it will be in the foreseeable. I am not Jewish or Muslim but I live in an area that is predominantly Jewish. I’m disgusted by the need for security guards in schools and synagogues - I think if this was any other section of society the media/powers that be would be voicing their outrage.

People murdered at their place of worship and being the intended targets for mass murder because they are Jews, yet the march last week was against Islamophobia. I’d like it to make sense.

Thank you for your post!

This is what I meant; it doesn’t nearly get as much coverage as it would if it were another group.

It’s like it’s being normalised.

And I’m sick of it.

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IlovePhilMitchell · 01/04/2026 16:13

Islamophobia in the UK has been horrendous for decades and decades. Made much worse after 9/11 in the US.

I am a white catholic (non practicing). In my childhood we were raised and taught all throughout school to sympathise with the Jews following World War Two. Obviously quite rightly so.

Clardigan · 01/04/2026 16:12

JSMill · 01/04/2026 15:58

YABU. My dh and DCs are Muslim and they have endured racism and islamaphobia for years. I can’t believe the things people feel empowered to say. I have seen posts on my local facebook groups calling Muslims nonces and admins refuse to delete them. I have also seen a lot of negative comments about Islam on MN. This is why I have a lot of empathy with Jewish people.

Same. I am a liberal Muslim and got all sorts of comments and ‘jokes’ after 9/11, 7/7 and the London Bridge attacks. My hijab-wearing family got abuse and physical attacks and the men faced discrimination every single time they flew anywhere. Nobody gave a shit. Nobody marched against Islamophobia. The media didn’t care. It was expected and accepted.

That’s exactly why my Jewish friends have all my support right now. I text them and support them and make sure their kids at university are doing ok.

We have much more in common than difference and need to stick together against all bigotry.

LucyWestenra · 01/04/2026 16:12

Citruswood · 01/04/2026 16:01

Stop playing the Victim.

So many Jewish people - orthodox and secular - are anti-zionists.

Millions of Muslim people are also Semitic!

Semitic-speaking peoples, originating in the ancient Near East, include groups such as Arabs, Jews, Assyrians, Arameans, and Samaritans, with a historical presence spanning from the 3rd millennium BC to the modern day. They are traditionally found throughout the Levant, Mesopotamia, and the Arabian Peninsula.
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I may be speaking out of turn here, but I’d say most Jewish people are not anti-Zionist, because if the past few years have shown us anything, it’s that Jewish people need a ‘safe space’ to call home.

The fact that Jewish people have left this country to move to Israel because they felt under threat over here should give everyone pause for thought.

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ViolaPlains · 01/04/2026 16:10

It’s not been so far so I don’t think it will be in the foreseeable. I am not Jewish or Muslim but I live in an area that is predominantly Jewish. I’m disgusted by the need for security guards in schools and synagogues - I think if this was any other section of society the media/powers that be would be voicing their outrage.

People murdered at their place of worship and being the intended targets for mass murder because they are Jews, yet the march last week was against Islamophobia. I’d like it to make sense.

glitterpaperchain · 01/04/2026 16:10

LucyWestenra · 01/04/2026 16:00

I stand with you.

The blatant antisemitism and whataboutery can get in the bin. Where it belongs.

Isn't 'whataboutery' exactly what you did here?

Apparently the government in this country is looking to appoint an ‘anti-Muslim’ hostility tsar.
Will the same courtesy be afforded to the Jewish community?

ie, 'they're tackling anti-Muslim hostility, what about antisemitism?'

I don't see why you need to pit these two against each other. Both need dealing with. Encouraging hostility between religions and arguing 'who is the most oppressed' helps no one.

WhatAMarvelousTune · 01/04/2026 16:08

Islamophobia is capitalised because Islam is a proper noun. When antisemitism used to be hyphenated (“anti-Semitism”), a capital S was used.

(You can see this here, plus an explanation of why the non hyphenated version is preferred https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/spelling-antisemitism )

Citruswood · 01/04/2026 16:08

Are they the only group who are discriminated against? 🤔 So why act like they are the only people who are? FWIW, the majority of people can distinguish between semitism and Zionism and are not anti-Semitic.

If you're not Jewish, could you be an Evangelical Christian? I'm wondering why you don't bother vehemently standing up for other heavily marginalised groups in the UK like Travellers, refugees, ethic minorities and such.

LucyWestenra · 01/04/2026 16:03

Citruswood · 01/04/2026 16:01

Stop playing the Victim.

So many Jewish people - orthodox and secular - are anti-zionists.

Millions of Muslim people are also Semitic!

Semitic-speaking peoples, originating in the ancient Near East, include groups such as Arabs, Jews, Assyrians, Arameans, and Samaritans, with a historical presence spanning from the 3rd millennium BC to the modern day. They are traditionally found throughout the Levant, Mesopotamia, and the Arabian Peninsula.
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I’m not Jewish, so I’m not sure what you’re talking about ‘playing the victim’.

But yes, I’d absolutely say that the Jewish community are being persecuted once again.

And it’s not right.

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LucyWestenra · 01/04/2026 16:01

ginasevern · 01/04/2026 16:00

I agree OP. And to my knowledge the UK government hasn't set up a working party to discuss anti semitism.

Thank you!

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Citruswood · 01/04/2026 16:01

LucyWestenra · 01/04/2026 15:58

To the lovely Jewish community on Mumsnet and to the Jewish people everywhere..,I hear you.

It must be soul destroying.

I feel like saying ‘fuck it’ every time I start a thread on this matter, so I can only imagine how you feel.

Stop playing the Victim.

So many Jewish people - orthodox and secular - are anti-zionists.

Millions of Muslim people are also Semitic!

Semitic-speaking peoples, originating in the ancient Near East, include groups such as Arabs, Jews, Assyrians, Arameans, and Samaritans, with a historical presence spanning from the 3rd millennium BC to the modern day. They are traditionally found throughout the Levant, Mesopotamia, and the Arabian Peninsula.
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ginasevern · 01/04/2026 16:00

LucyWestenra · 01/04/2026 15:49

Thank you both for your replies, but surely anyone who has eyes and ears can see that Jewish people are having a much harder time of it.

I agree OP. And to my knowledge the UK government hasn't set up a working party to discuss anti semitism.

MissyB1 · 01/04/2026 16:00

LucyWestenra · 01/04/2026 15:55

You can be suspicious all you like, I have always spoken out in support of the Jewish community on here.

If that offends you I’m sorry.

This oppressed group needs all the support they can get.

Speak out all you like but be careful not to stoke division between communities who are both experiencing a rise in hatred. And I’m not “offended” I said suspicious, it wouldn’t be the first goady thread along these lines.

Everanewbie · 01/04/2026 16:00

I'm not sure really OP. I think that progressives tend to think of the world as being binary between oppressor and oppressed and Jews are seen by many as rich and white thus falling into the oppressor category.

But they're not really comparable. One is a religion. The other is a race and ethnicity.

A distinction I see is that on the left, many seem to find it impossible to condemn antisemitism without adding "and Islamophobia and all other forms of racism" but have no such suffix when referring to Islamophobia.

LucyWestenra · 01/04/2026 16:00

I stand with you.

The blatant antisemitism and whataboutery can get in the bin. Where it belongs.

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Citruswood · 01/04/2026 15:58

What's going on in Israel is apartheid, genocide and downright evil. Israel's far right government is becoming deeply unpopular with the Israeli people.

HTH

LucyWestenra · 01/04/2026 15:58

To the lovely Jewish community on Mumsnet and to the Jewish people everywhere..,I hear you.

It must be soul destroying.

I feel like saying ‘fuck it’ every time I start a thread on this matter, so I can only imagine how you feel.

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JSMill · 01/04/2026 15:58

LucyWestenra · 01/04/2026 15:49

Thank you both for your replies, but surely anyone who has eyes and ears can see that Jewish people are having a much harder time of it.

YABU. My dh and DCs are Muslim and they have endured racism and islamaphobia for years. I can’t believe the things people feel empowered to say. I have seen posts on my local facebook groups calling Muslims nonces and admins refuse to delete them. I have also seen a lot of negative comments about Islam on MN. This is why I have a lot of empathy with Jewish people.

Usernamenotfound1 · 01/04/2026 15:56

LucyWestenra · 01/04/2026 15:52

Apparently the government in this country is looking to appoint an ‘anti-Muslim’ hostility tsar.

Will the same courtesy be afforded to the Jewish community?

Or will they just have to tolerate chants of ‘from the river to the sea’ forevermore?

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Is that antisemitism, or a political issue?

people have strong opinions on Israel and Palestine, but I’m not sure that is hatred of Jews and the Jewish faith.

you can think Israel is in the wrong in it’s actions against Palestine (or vice versa) without hating the religion practiced in that country.

LucyWestenra · 01/04/2026 15:55

MissyB1 · 01/04/2026 15:52

hmmm... thats your opnion and you are perfectly entitled to it, but it's just an opnion. Also as pp said we don't need to make a competition of it, racism of any kind is unacceptable. I get a bit suspicious when people start this kind of thread.

You can be suspicious all you like, I have always spoken out in support of the Jewish community on here.

If that offends you I’m sorry.

This oppressed group needs all the support they can get.

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Citruswood · 01/04/2026 15:55

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Usernamenotfound1 · 01/04/2026 15:52

LucyWestenra · 01/04/2026 15:50

There are many members of the Jewish community who feel they have to hide their heritage.

There’s a fair bit of Islamophobia/racism about too. Harder to hide brown skin as well.

one is not worse than the other. Like pp have said there is no place for either in today’s society.

MissyB1 · 01/04/2026 15:52

LucyWestenra · 01/04/2026 15:49

Thank you both for your replies, but surely anyone who has eyes and ears can see that Jewish people are having a much harder time of it.

hmmm... thats your opnion and you are perfectly entitled to it, but it's just an opnion. Also as pp said we don't need to make a competition of it, racism of any kind is unacceptable. I get a bit suspicious when people start this kind of thread.

LucyWestenra · 01/04/2026 15:52

Apparently the government in this country is looking to appoint an ‘anti-Muslim’ hostility tsar.

Will the same courtesy be afforded to the Jewish community?

Or will they just have to tolerate chants of ‘from the river to the sea’ forevermore?

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Ooihuko · 01/04/2026 15:51

LucyWestenra · 01/04/2026 15:50

There are many members of the Jewish community who feel they have to hide their heritage.

That's sad, I didn't realise. Is it hiding or just that their race is not obvious in the same way as being Irish or eastern European is not obvious with out asking someone?