Will antisemitism ever be looked at and dealt with in the same way as Islamophobia is?

There is a post like this every couple of weeks on MN. It usually plays out just as this post is doing ie “antisemitism is by far the worst kind of prejudice”. The Agenda of this OP seems particularly disingenuous.

this! You can see Israelis protestors being man handled violently, water bombed on Recent protest against illegal murders? Occupations and treatment of Palestinians that has been going on for a very long time now . Israel has now passed a law that only Palestinian are to have the death penalty. You can l criticize Israel and their government all you like, and say all you like about Netanyahu and not be called an anti Semite. As nothing to with Judaism and Jewish people as a whole. Plenty are against Israel and what they are doing

Exactly. Or on tiktok.

I mean who doesn't oppsoe colonialism and apartheid.

Oh and that israel was founded on systemic oppression whcih sounds good but is a load of hot air if you know anything about history and how israel was created.

You notice how no-one can answer my question as to why the Palestinian Arabs didnt declare a state of palestine on 15 May 1948 the way the Palestinian Zionists did? What was stopping them?

They just heard it at some trendy march somewhere and parrot it like woody would in Toy Story.

Apparenly israel isn't the 'only' apartheid state now.

The country where a supreme court judge is Arab is apparently apartheid.
Two of the best performing schools in israel in terms of matricularion results are in the Arab towns of Peqiin and Buqata. But apartheid....

Methinks they don't know the meaning of the word apartheid or they don't know israel or both.

To be blunt what makes someone look silly IMO is using the word apartheid to describe any nation except the one that actually had that system while telling other posters not to bring other countries into the discussion.

That you can’t see that makes me think there’s no point in even trying to explain it to you.

No problem at all with other countries being mentioned, Israel certainly isn't the only apartheid state, but that's not the point
If someone makes a statement about a particular apartheid state then someone challenges it, saying "well what about other apartheid states, they are much worse" is simple deflection and not giving any weight to previous claims or statements. It's a bit pointless really and quite frankly makes the poster look a bit silly.

@balabusta why are you saying I'm obsessed with Israel, after I posted once on the thread? Or that it doesn't look like I care about other issues? Neither of these accusations are helpful and it makes you sound like a petulant child who has lost an argument.

Thanks for the post op. I'm not going to read the posts however as MN is a cesspit of Jew hatred completely separateto the Israel situation. The score board results confirm. The old sealioning 'Please give proof' immediately. These people still think that there is no such thing and always want 'proof' a d play it down. So disingenuous. They're so transparent.

haha, very true

They also don't want their hypocrisy called out either.

I remember going to work in 2009 in London and desperate Tamils were lying in the road to try to draw attention to the genocide happening in Sri Lanka. No one seemed to care.

The ongoing genocide in Sudan. Not a word. The Sudanese government has accused the UAE of genocide. No marches outside the UAE embassy? No outrage.

Israel most certainly has its flaw. Absolutely. But the obsession with Israel - of the far left and Muslims - is just nuts. Most of it is plain old antisemitism wrapped up in the camoflauge of virtue signlaling. And then what happens - Israelis stop listening. You can scream apartheid as much as you want but when Israelis go to work and sit on the bus with Arabs, go to hospital and have Arab doctors, nurses and pharmacists, go to university and have Arab professors, watch TV with Arab presenters and sit in a restaurant owned by Arabs for dinner, they know it's bullshit and they stop listening as they know that any criticism isn't based in realtiy.

And it makes it harder for those of us who genuinely care about human rights and reaching a realistic and just sustainable resolution to improve the lives of everyone in the Israel AND Palestine. There is no apartheid within Israel - it's a total misunderstanding of the very real issues which need to be solved.

There is a Jewish counterpart already, appointed in 2019:

John Mann, Baron Mann, is the UK government's independent adviser on antisemitism, often referred to in the media as the anti-semitism tsar.

Wait - you’re calling Israel “apartheid” but you don’t want anyone (else) to mention other countries??

Where do you think the word apartheid comes from - Hebrew?

FFS

Good, glad you care about lots of issues! Don't see it really but hey ho.

Anywa, none of this has anyting to do with the existence of the State of Israel. Who cares if you are upset by the fact that the country exists? Israelis don't care, they are getting on with their lives.

Perhaps you should be bothered about the fact that Palestinians have rejected a two state solution for almost 100 years. That would have led to a much better situation for Palestinians.

I personally do not support a lot that happens in Israel. Totally correct that there are human rights abuses and war crimes and that the country has moved to the right. Many Israelis are concerned about this too. Luckily these things are reported in the press and discussed openly.

But that's totally separate issue to the existence of Israel and how much it bothers you that it exists.

Plus, let's also be realistic, far worse happens all around the world and yet we don't see Russian orthodox churches being bombed because of Ukraine or Buddhist temples being targeted because of the Rohingya genocide. Indeed, Paksitan, an artifically created country, committed genocide in Bangladesh yet no one discusses whether Pakistan should exist.

The idiot applause drives me round the bend more than anything else. Hannah Arendt was right saying that evil comes from not thinking.

Well, as you know "No Jews, no news".

Who really cares? Perhaps the people standing around watching their families getting murdered? Or those evicted illegally from their homes? Or denied medical treatment? Tortured in prisons...I could go on but it would get boring as the list is very long. It's also very possible to care about basic human rights from a distance. And yes, before you ask, I care about lots of issues.

Thank you for trying! Unfortunately, I think it is pointless. This is so basic and not difficult to understand. But many just thrive on hate, especially if they can do it being applauded by others.

First of all, you don't have facts. For example,Palestinians cannot be doctors or own land despite living in Lebnon for generations. So let's get these facts straight.

Second of all, of course if you scream 'apartheid' at Israel but then there's a ton of countries which have far worse situations including openly discriminatory laws which are not labelled apartheird, one does wonder why? Exactly the point being made here. Israel derangement syndrome. Like, a totally weird obsession with eveything to do with Israel. Israel has its flaws and there's certainly racism but it's not apartheid.

Yeah, but really who cares? Israel exists and does all the things a country needs to do for its citizens.

Really, they should stop handwringing that Israel got its act togehter and declared a country on the very day the Brits got up and left and perhaps look at all the things that the Arabs have done to prevent there being a State of Palestine since rejecting the Partition Plan in 1947 through to the three nos of Khartoum through to the rejection of both Barak's and Olmert's peace proposals.

But I guess it's easier to just present things as black and white. Israel is apartheid, colonial, genocidal, systemic oppression blah blah and Palestinie is just an eternal hapless oppressed victim with no agency and no responsibility.

You are correct - the previous poster assumed that you would know there is a difference, although the rise in antisemitic incidences suggests people don’t acknowledge or understand that.

Mine is not the disingenuousness here.

Israeli people = people who live in Israel and have that nationality. These can be any religion - around 18% are Muslim, although the majority are indeed Jewish.

Jewish people = people who are ethnically Jewish. They may also practice the Jewish religion, but this is a choice, as ethnicity is not.

Nobody is ‘getting a pass’ but all Israelis are not Jewish - and somebody Jewish from the UK is not an Israeli citizen.

Not bothering to understand these differences leads to both racist and religiously intolerant beliefs, like that Jewish citizens of the UK are responsible for the actions of a different country’s army.

Why do you keep shying away from facts and try to deflect by bringing in other countries?

Yeah, they do actually. Glad you mentioned it.
Better than, say, the discriminatory laws in Malaysia or in Lebanon. If Israel is aparthied then they are apartheid ++

Yes it’s odd because the same people don’t seem to have similar qualms about the continued existence of North Korea (which is definitely not an ethnicity and which treats its unwilling citizens horribly) or even Spain (remember when the elected leader of Catalonia was arrested for holding an independence referendum? Surely that should call the continued existence of Spain into question if the Catalans don’t want to be part of it?)

And why don’t the Kurds get a state? Don’t they deserve one? Their nationhood is far older and more affirmed than the Palestinian-Arab one which is basically a mid 20th century creation.

Why is there so little western interest in the fact that a democratic but unrecognised country Somaliland exists next door to the failed state of Somalia which it has seceded from? The refusal of western states to recognise Somaliland is keeping it in poverty but nobody seems to care much.

The only country whose existence, or not, causes any soul searching by westerners is Israel.

That makes absolutely no sense. The State of Israel was declared by Palestinian Zionists on the day the Brits unilaterally left and had to fight for its very existence, first in a civil war and then invaded by all neighbouring arab countries and then some. Nothing to do with "systemic oppression' 😂. Why was no State of Palestine declared on the same day? They could have just as easily....Or in the many years that followed.

Anyway, if you're bothered by Israel being founded, your mind will be blown away by Pakistan! Why doesn't we question Pakistan's right to exist?

Ohhh and sneaky editing to add in little snide comments about superiority because Jews are a people and not just religion. Too bad, that's jsut reality. You're bothered about whether Palestinian national identiy is recognized but somehow think you can determine for Jews what their national identity is 😀

And those Israeli Arabs do not have equal rights enshrined in law, which is what makes it apartheid. I'm glad you brought that up.
The Lebanon voting analogy is very off. You cannot vote in probably the vast majority of countries in the world if you are not a citizen, including the UK. That is not apartheid, it's rules of citizenship. Israel is apartheid and doesn't shy away from this as it is an ethnocentric state, with Jews having full rights, regardless as to whether they have been there generations or just arrived yesterday. Arab Israelis do not have full rights, despite the vehement claims.

I'malso anti apartheid and colonialism. Lucky that they have absolutely nothing to do with Israel where about half the doctors and probably all the pharmacists are Arab and an Arab judge jailed a Jewish ex-president.

hey, you know which country doesn't allow Palestinians to vote, work in certain occupations or own land? Lebanon! So if you're anti apartheid, I hope you're doing something about that.