Will antisemitism ever be looked at and dealt with in the same way as Islamophobia is?

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No worries. English wasn’t my first language so I can still make mistakes when rushing or am tired, hence why I wasn’t sure if I made a mistake and was so confused!

This place does make you feel mad when it comes to topics such as racism, immigration and Islam, and I’ve long realised that you’re never going to get through to people who are close minded so no point in tiring yourself out trying to get them to see things differently.

I apologise, Bedlam. This post still reads as confusing without context but I've done what I should have done and gone back through, looking at the quoted posts. It's been a very weird few days but I can see that we are coming from the same place - please forgive my mistaken belief that it was otherwise! Sorry for making you think you'd gone mad - I've spent too many hours recently thinking the same about myself!

In my defence, I'm exhausted as I was up until a very silly time making sure that people weren't being misrepresented on a different (now deleted) thread. I hope that clears things up from my side - sorry again x

It’s also fuck all to do with Jewish people I. Europe. You just made her point.

You’ve actually had me re-reading my post several times to see if I wrote it wrong.

If you think I am in the category of those who repeatedly go on about no one caring about antisemitism, then I strongly recommend you read the full quote of what I was responding to.

There have been over 20 attacks on UK mosques in the past 6 months including one which left £30,000 worth of damage. Most of these were not mentioned in the mainstream press and were only reported online by anti racism organisations via police stats.

Islamophobia is very real and hyporbolic threads like this diminish the threat it poses and minimises the harm it does. Putting groups of marginalised people against each other is really crass.

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You're right, you don't need to explain. It just makes a conversation difficult to have when you won't engage with questions asked. I hope that this will be remembered.

People are repeatedly going on about nobody caring about antisemitism, despite people like me asking questions and trying to understand.

I think people are getting just a little weary of this constant attempt to get people to think about antisemitism, with a number of individuals going on and on in various threads but then failing to engage when legitimate questions are asked.

If the aim is to get people to see how important antisemitism is to consider, the outcome is not going to be what is wanted if this relentless barrage of nothingness carries on. It's becoming very tedious.

I don’t need to explain. The full history is right there…

So, to clarify, is it just Muslims you aren’t keen on then?

Honestly, I am shocked that he can continue performing after what has happened. His words matter, as he has a massive following, and he shouldn't be given a platform in any music festival. The fact that people are happy to pay to watch him, despite his abhorrent and openly racist views, is quite telling about the world we currently live in.

That man should not be anywhere near any music festival, end of. He is unhinged.

I can't see what they have said previously and not sure if I can search it so was interested to know what you meant. If you don't want to explain, then nevermind.

Kanye West is headlining the Wireless Festival in London. This is after publicly saying he likes Hitler, suggesting a swastika design for his album cover, and releasing a single called "Heil Hitler" in which he samples a speech from the man himself.

If he had targeted Muslims in a similar way, would he be invited to headline a festival?

Suggest you read that poster’s explanation on why they pretend to be Jewish on MN.

You’re being facetious. It’s pretty obvious what I meant, unless you don’t read literature / the news.

What are you getting at there? Sorry, I don't understand your point.

I object to the sentiment that the Orthodox don't believe in educating their girls, it isn't true. There are many Ofsted regulated girls' and boys' schools in Stamford Hill and other Ultra Orthodox communities. As they are Ofsted regulated they have to follow the national curriculum, and are properly inspected and regulated. They have religious studies alongside the national curriculum, in the same way that other religious schools do.

But those garments mentioned will obviously be a source of infection. Shouldn't be allowed.

Yep. The response is odd too, as though you have to pretend to be Jewish to not be antisemitic. So very strange.

That's really odd! I wonder what would motivate someone to do that. There have been some pretty batshit comments made on the site in the past few days to be fair! Maybe it was the full moon?!

It's so weird that on the Diane Abbott thread you clearly stated in a number of posts that you are Jewish and that you have Jewish heritage that would show up in a DNA test. You have now said on this thread that you aren't Jewish so that's a really strange claim to make.

Obviously no children should be subjected to such behaviour, whatever the religion.

To the ‘for balance, other groups do this’, I think that’s unhelpful to the conversation. If the Haredi orthodox yeshivas (this example feels rather obscure, I have never come across one of these) are expanding their operations, increasing in numbers and power in the UK and were working with the government to criminalise all criticism of their practises then if agree that it was comparable but as far as I can find out, it it’s not.

Do you have any information on the scale of this and how closely they are working with the government?

‘Intentional misreading’ … bollox is it. I still can’t understand what point is being made.

No read my post again

That's an intentional misreading of what was written.

What actually happens all the time is antisemitic trope dreased up in 'I'm only anti zionist' and then 'I bet ill be accused of antisemitism, they always do that'