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AIBU to think primary schools should not audition children for choirs?

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LovelyBranches · 25/03/2026 21:29

Dd is 9 and loves singing. She goes to her school choir after school group and goes to signing lessons outside of school. She has competed (and won) at the Eisteddfod.

Yesterday she came home from school very upset, unbeknownst to us she had auditioned for a place in her choirs Christmas show which will be on tv. She didn’t get in. There were 3 children in her year that didn’t get in. DD was devastated and very upset about it.

Today she came home upset because the teachers had taken the new choir group to practice and DD had no one in her usual friendship group to eat with. She ended up eating with another girl in her class who hasn’t been very nice to her recently.

I feel really upset for DD, she sings all the time and will tell anyone who listens how she wants to work in the theatre when she is older. I am aware that the school probably had a limited number of places but I feel like they should have given places to all year 6 and year 5 pupils rather than what they did which was allow year 6 and pick selectively between year 5 and 4.

AIBU to think that schools shouldn’t have auditions for choirs at primary school level.

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AlcoholicAntibiotic · 25/03/2026 22:38

With this kind of thing it may be about the mix of voices. And perhaps they just didn’t need a voice like your daughter’s, even if she was good.

This is a really good point. I was at school with a girl who was a brilliant singer, went on to do it professionally, but didn’t get into the small, selective choir as her voice just didn’t blend well with the others for the type of music the choir performed.

skippy67 · 25/03/2026 22:38

If your kid had got in you wouldn't have a problem with the selection process. I get it.

Buscobel · 25/03/2026 22:38

But the best players will be chosen for school football teams and academy football teams and league football teams. If you’re chosen for those, you’re part of a more elite group, but if you don’t cut the mustard, you’re dropped. That will happen for school plays, at primary and secondary level, at college and university and in working life.

Your analogy to Tesco and the gym is different, because Tesco shopping is a financial transaction and at the gym, you challenge yourself to improve your own performance, not a competition with other gym goers, unless they’re putting on an exhibition.

Brewtiful · 25/03/2026 22:36

I'm going to be honest given how upset this has made you it's probably quite helpful for her to experience a little setback like this and see it's really not a huge deal.

You seem to be spiralling over something so inconsequential I'm wondering if there's a bigger picture at play here and you're focusing on something small because that's easier to deal with.

MissTerrius · 25/03/2026 22:34

LovelyBranches · 25/03/2026 22:31

DH helps out as a coach in the local football team. ANYONE who wants to be on the team can, and they are all invited to play on the Saturday competitive games.

Can you imagine if adults were excluded in the same way as kids? Can you imagine being denied access to your local gym because you couldn’t bench press a certain weight, or not being allowed in your local Tesco because you couldn’t push the trolley fast enough.

But surely there are inclusive choirs. She is in one. This audition was for one single event which is some time away. She can still sing in the choir can’t she for other rehearsals
and shows? Is she being told she isn’t allowed to sing any more??

Happytaytos · 25/03/2026 22:34

LovelyBranches · 25/03/2026 22:31

DH helps out as a coach in the local football team. ANYONE who wants to be on the team can, and they are all invited to play on the Saturday competitive games.

Can you imagine if adults were excluded in the same way as kids? Can you imagine being denied access to your local gym because you couldn’t bench press a certain weight, or not being allowed in your local Tesco because you couldn’t push the trolley fast enough.

Not in any way comparable arguments.

Tesco isn't a shop with limited spaces and the gym isn't a competition.

Plenty of adults don't do. Stuff because they aren't good enough, or they try for stuff and don't get in.

Perhaps you're on the wind up.

MissTerrius · 25/03/2026 22:32

OP it’s going to be tough unless you accept this. It’s raw when your kid doesn’t get accepted. But it’s part of creative performing. There are usually inclusive events and audition-only events.

With this kind of thing it may be about the mix of voices. And perhaps they just didn’t need a voice like your daughter’s, even if she was good.

At this age I would expect most kids to be able to adapt to sitting next to a different child for lunch etc, without too much drama. That’s not the issue to focus on.

I am sorry she didn’t get it. But don’t let her see how upset you are. Good luck for next time.

LovelyBranches · 25/03/2026 22:31

RaraRachael · 25/03/2026 22:28

Not just anybody who likes playing football is allowed to play in the football team - they choose the best players.

Why should the choir be any different? They want the best singers.

DH helps out as a coach in the local football team. ANYONE who wants to be on the team can, and they are all invited to play on the Saturday competitive games.

Can you imagine if adults were excluded in the same way as kids? Can you imagine being denied access to your local gym because you couldn’t bench press a certain weight, or not being allowed in your local Tesco because you couldn’t push the trolley fast enough.

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Happytaytos · 25/03/2026 22:30

She's got y5 and 6 to do it. Relax a bit.

Thechaseison71 · 25/03/2026 22:30

LovelyBranches · 25/03/2026 21:58

Correct- 3 children didn’t get picked out of the year 4 group at choir. Around 15 of the children are in the choir.

DD has never had a single bad word said about her behaviour. In fact we had parents evening recently and her teacher said she is one of the best behaved. DD has a physical disability and has needed assistance during the time she’s been at school because she used to use a wheelchair and every teacher has always said what a kind and polite child she is.

Edited

Maybe her singing voice isn't as good though. It's not about behaviour surely.

My brother going into the school choir I didn't No big deal

LoveWine123 · 25/03/2026 22:30

LovelyBranches · 25/03/2026 22:26

9 years old is considered pre teen and I’m not twisting the situation at all.

I think we all got the picture.

Buscobel · 25/03/2026 22:29

She didn’t get a place this time. She may do another time.

She may not always succeed in everything she tries. What’s important is the trying. Picking yourself up after disappointment and trying again. She will learn from this experience, although it won’t feel like it just now.

It’s a given that not everyone gets chosen for the things they want to do, or jobs they apply for. It’s upsetting, but it is part of life and obviously you’ll question the process, but tell how good you think she is and that there will be other chances.

RaraRachael · 25/03/2026 22:28

Not just anybody who likes playing football is allowed to play in the football team - they choose the best players.

Why should the choir be any different? They want the best singers.

LovelyBranches · 25/03/2026 22:27

BethBynnag86 · 25/03/2026 22:25

You mentioned Eisteddfod.Are the school preparing to compete in the Urdd in May?

No because it’s too far away

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LovelyBranches · 25/03/2026 22:26

LoveWine123 · 25/03/2026 22:23

Because you are twisting the situation to get sympathy when things are not as dire as you are making them out to be. And I think you are the one missing the point about teaching your daughter (who is not a pre-teen!) a bit of resilience when she can’t always get what she wants. Someone should have taught you too.

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9 years old is considered pre teen and I’m not twisting the situation at all.

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BethBynnag86 · 25/03/2026 22:25

You mentioned Eisteddfod.Are the school preparing to compete in the Urdd in May?

LittleBinChicken · 25/03/2026 22:24

LovelyBranches · 25/03/2026 22:19

DD thought this was her place to shine. She has a physical disability so sports wasn’t as option.

Singing still very much can be her place to shine. Just not this particular show. Auditioning and not getting through is part and parcel.

LovelyBranches · 25/03/2026 22:23

PinkCatCushion · 25/03/2026 22:21

It’s hard when your child isn’t picked after an audition but if she wants to go into the theatre business she’ll have many rejections even as a child.
My 4 kids all enjoy being in a musical theatre group but not getting a part is a par for the course. It’s made them very resilient.
This is a great chance for you to teach resilience to your child OP. Failing is part and parcel of life and will ultimately make them stronger and more successful. The ability to cope with setbacks is a great skill to have.
The lunch issue can be turned around to be an opportunity to make new friends, she could try befriending children from another year group.
What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger.

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I have a daughter who has a physical disability, who has been a wheelchair user and who has had multiple surgical operations in her short life (and is due more).

Trust me, resilience has been the main thing she has had to learn.

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LoveWine123 · 25/03/2026 22:23

LovelyBranches · 25/03/2026 22:17

Why are you so hung up on the numbers? Don’t you understand the point that pre teen girls are having their self esteem diminished by teachers who think they are Simon bloody Cowell instead of educators?

Because you are twisting the situation to get sympathy when things are not as dire as you are making them out to be. And I think you are the one missing the point about teaching your daughter (who is not a pre-teen!) a bit of resilience when she can’t always get what she wants. Someone should have taught you too.

JemimaTiggywinkles · 25/03/2026 22:22

Year 4 is a child, not pre-teen. Her self esteem is only damaged because YOU have made this into far too big of a thing. Her place to shine is in the competition she won and the out of school singing group where she gets lots of solos.

You’re being ridiculous and I think you know it.

PinkCatCushion · 25/03/2026 22:21

It’s hard when your child isn’t picked after an audition but if she wants to go into the theatre business she’ll have many rejections even as a child.
My 4 kids all enjoy being in a musical theatre group but not getting a part is a par for the course. It’s made them very resilient.
This is a great chance for you to teach resilience to your child OP. Failing is part and parcel of life and will ultimately make them stronger and more successful. The ability to cope with setbacks is a great skill to have.
The lunch issue can be turned around to be an opportunity to make new friends, she could try befriending children from another year group.
What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger.

Dreamingofdaffodils · 25/03/2026 22:21

Could it be that they know that your daughter has lots of opportunities to sing outside of school, and they are giving the opportunity to those who don’t have the experiences your daughter has already had? It’s rubbish and I don’t agree with it, but I wouldn’t be surprised if there is an element of that.
Hopefully she will make it next year and the year after and in the meantime you can use it as an opportunity to build resilience. If she wants a future in the theatre then she will need this as a key skill.

LovelyBranches · 25/03/2026 22:21

Watchoutfortheslowaraf · 25/03/2026 22:17

When you say she competed and won at the Eisteddfod- what Eisteddfod are you talking about? A school one and the urdd genadlaethol are quite different so just wondering at what level she won.

also surprised at them practising so much for a show 9 months away- are they not doing the urdd and practising for that first? Which show is it? Is it a high level competition or just a show?

sorry for all the questions. I think it depends on the type of event this is and if they need their highest level of singers then I think it is fair to have auditions. My dd is also in a Welsh language school so I understand the culture. They are practising like crazy now for the urdd genadlaethol in may.

also won’t year 6 have left by Xmas?

It’s was the Urdd in Margam.

The programme is going out at Christmas and will be Christmas themed but will be filmed before year 6 leave I imagine.

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AlcoholicAntibiotic · 25/03/2026 22:20

What would you prefer them to do if there are limited spaces?

Not everyone gets to do everything; that is just life. She’ll get other opportunities.

LovelyBranches · 25/03/2026 22:19

LittleBinChicken · 25/03/2026 22:17

They want to put the best team out and win games 🤷‍♀️ they don’t want a keeper who lets in 15 goals. That’s not unreasonable.

Parents should gently redirect. It doesn’t have to be a soul destroying experience. It’s about helping them find their place to shine.

DD thought this was her place to shine. She has a physical disability so sports wasn’t as option.

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