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AIBU to think primary schools should not audition children for choirs?

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LovelyBranches · 25/03/2026 21:29

Dd is 9 and loves singing. She goes to her school choir after school group and goes to signing lessons outside of school. She has competed (and won) at the Eisteddfod.

Yesterday she came home from school very upset, unbeknownst to us she had auditioned for a place in her choirs Christmas show which will be on tv. She didn’t get in. There were 3 children in her year that didn’t get in. DD was devastated and very upset about it.

Today she came home upset because the teachers had taken the new choir group to practice and DD had no one in her usual friendship group to eat with. She ended up eating with another girl in her class who hasn’t been very nice to her recently.

I feel really upset for DD, she sings all the time and will tell anyone who listens how she wants to work in the theatre when she is older. I am aware that the school probably had a limited number of places but I feel like they should have given places to all year 6 and year 5 pupils rather than what they did which was allow year 6 and pick selectively between year 5 and 4.

AIBU to think that schools shouldn’t have auditions for choirs at primary school level.

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TeaAndTattoos · 26/03/2026 00:50

That’s life I’m afraid she isn’t always going to get picked for everything she auditions for there will always be people who are better than her. You wouldn’t be saying that school choirs should be banned if she had been picked so stop with the sour grapes and trying to spoil it for everyone else because your child didn’t get chosen.

LovelyBranches · 26/03/2026 00:48

JustGiveMeReason · 26/03/2026 00:44

Which is a perfectly valid opinion to hold, but isn't the OP's take on life as she is entering her dd in Eisteddfods, which are competitive.

It is the only liking it when her dd is selected or when she wins, but thinking competition / selection is wrong when she doesn't that is making the OP unreasonable.

Just to clarify, I didn’t enter my dd into the Eisteddfod. Her school did. Everyone who was in the choir was allowed to go and they won.

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starray · 26/03/2026 00:47

Kirbert2 · 26/03/2026 00:04

Ahh, I see.

Still, it may even be them who are enforcing the strict numbers rather than the school and if that is the case, what are they supposed to do?

If parents cause a headache for the teachers, they simply just won't do it again I imagine.

Then, instead of auditioning 9 year olds, they should consider drawing lots at random in such a situation. That would be fair.

Kirbert2 · 26/03/2026 00:46

Eleph42 · 26/03/2026 00:44

For what it’s worth I think posters on this thread are being quite harsh and would put my life on if it was their child in this situation they would feel the same especially if their child is good at the thing they’ve not been included in. In your opinion op (without being biased 🤣) and given your child does sing outside of school, do you think she is better than most of the children who have been picked? If so, I’d be curious to know why she actually hasn’t been picked?! Surely not good enough wouldn’t cut it if that’s the case. If she’s not as good as the other children I suppose it is something she will need to take on the chin and learn from! Xx

It might actually be the opposite too. If OP's daughter is talented and clearly has opportunities outside of school with solos etc then they may have picked the children who don't have those opportunities outside of school?

JustGiveMeReason · 26/03/2026 00:44

justsignedup2018 · 26/03/2026 00:38

I agree that having selection at that age is unnecessary. Especially when only three weren’t allowed to join. There’s plenty of time for elitism when older. Primary school kids are still little.

Which is a perfectly valid opinion to hold, but isn't the OP's take on life as she is entering her dd in Eisteddfods, which are competitive.

It is the only liking it when her dd is selected or when she wins, but thinking competition / selection is wrong when she doesn't that is making the OP unreasonable.

Eleph42 · 26/03/2026 00:44

For what it’s worth I think posters on this thread are being quite harsh and would put my life on if it was their child in this situation they would feel the same especially if their child is good at the thing they’ve not been included in. In your opinion op (without being biased 🤣) and given your child does sing outside of school, do you think she is better than most of the children who have been picked? If so, I’d be curious to know why she actually hasn’t been picked?! Surely not good enough wouldn’t cut it if that’s the case. If she’s not as good as the other children I suppose it is something she will need to take on the chin and learn from! Xx

starray · 26/03/2026 00:43

She's 9! How do we know that it was because she wasn't 'good enough'? What was the criteria used for picking? It's not right to label a child at that age to make her feel less talented than her peers. I don't think football is a fair comparison. The arts are much more subjective and impossible to quantify - it's not like football where you can look at how often someone scores a goal. And before anyone says that you can tell if someone is not singing in tune, well, I think half of singers nowadays don't sing in tune, but that hasn't stopped them from being adored by millions. Even so, I think that football at that age shouldn't be so competitive - every child at that age, should be encouraged and given the same chance to shine as their peers. If not, the whole thing just borders on favouritism.

LittleBinChicken · 26/03/2026 00:39

Resilience is “bouncebackability”. It’s not smiling through disappointment, or taking on more work (?). It’s her ability to feel disappointment, and then pick herself back up and move forward. That’s what you need to teach her.

justsignedup2018 · 26/03/2026 00:38

I agree that having selection at that age is unnecessary. Especially when only three weren’t allowed to join. There’s plenty of time for elitism when older. Primary school kids are still little.

Justkeepswimmiing · 26/03/2026 00:34

LovelyBranches · 26/03/2026 00:09

Again, I have a disabled child. Navigating disappointment is part of the day job. She can’t do so many of the things her friends do.

This is something she can do, but has been excluded from, and it’s really upset her.

So teach her that this one experience does not define her talents. Praise her for communicating her feelings. Show her how she can regulate herself when her body feels out of control.

LovelyBranches · 26/03/2026 00:33

JustGiveMeReason · 26/03/2026 00:30

I think we all understand that. No need to read the thread again.

What you are missing is that it is a parallel situation.
You are angry your dd wasn't picked to be part of the school choir for this one event. Posters are pointing out that in the 'outside choir' your dd had been selected to do solos on more than one occasion, therefore no doubt other dc in the choir have not been selected but you seem to be okay with them 'missing out' on that opportunity as in that scenario, your dd is 'the winner'.

In the outside choir different children get different solo’s. Nobody misses out.

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Justkeepswimmiing · 26/03/2026 00:32

LovelyBranches · 26/03/2026 00:28

I work with adults who were taught resilience culture from childhood and they are far more likely to burn out because they get leaned on to do more with fewer resources. They often manage it until something breaks and it’s usually them.

But that's exactly it. Resilience is about knowing when you need to slow down.
The modern research on what resilience is isn't just having a tough skin and soldering on, having a happy take on things when time is tough etc until you break. Resilience is about the tools you use to bounce back and process during challenging situations. It isn't about rolling and powering on through.

Okiedokie123 · 26/03/2026 00:32

LarsenBiceshelf · 25/03/2026 22:44

OP, you have probably had to fight for your daughter a lot in her life. But now she's getting older you do have to learn to take a bit of a step back, for her sake. It may well be that the school has picked children who haven't had your dd's singing opportunities, or maybe the venue isn't accessible, or they only have transport for a certain number. Whatever, it's your job to go 'oh well, no big deal. You've got plenty of other opportunities to shine - so let's get you to your singing lesson and get back on that metaphorical horse and ride on'. Getting angry and stressed will only make her feel either more disappointed or like a disappointment herself, for making you feel that way. Yes, she'll always need you to fight for her more than a child without disabilities, but please save your energy for the big battles.

I agree with you…….except for the bit about the venue maybe not being accessible. If that’s the case then things need to be done to make it accessible!

We had to audition for our school choir aged nine. I failed, it stung but not a disaster. Sometimes as Larsen said “oh well, maybe next time”.
And the lunch issue…… “never mind darling, it’s an opportunity to make some other friends”

LovelyBranches · 26/03/2026 00:31

Toomuchprivateinfo · 26/03/2026 00:24

I’m guessing if she’d got in you wouldn’t have a problem and would think it was all perfectly fair and reasonable….

I’ve already answered this so no need to guess-go back and look

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JustGiveMeReason · 26/03/2026 00:30

LovelyBranches · 26/03/2026 00:00

Please read the thread again. My daughter goes to an outside school singing group. She can’t go to gym, or dance like her friends so she goes to singing.

It is in the outside school group that they give her solo’s. In school she doesn’t want a solo, she wants to be a member of the choir.

I think we all understand that. No need to read the thread again.

What you are missing is that it is a parallel situation.
You are angry your dd wasn't picked to be part of the school choir for this one event. Posters are pointing out that in the 'outside choir' your dd had been selected to do solos on more than one occasion, therefore no doubt other dc in the choir have not been selected but you seem to be okay with them 'missing out' on that opportunity as in that scenario, your dd is 'the winner'.

LovelyBranches · 26/03/2026 00:30

Justkeepswimmiing · 26/03/2026 00:25

What about paralympians?

You just sound like you expected your daughter to get in and you want to throw your toys out of the pram until someone tells you it was grossly unfair and you're well within your rights to protest. This is aibu and I do think yabu.

Life isn't perfect. Better she fail now and learn how to develop a positive/growth mindset, than never fail and struggle when she's older.

Edited

What about paralympians ? Again please can we stop with the ableism. Disabled people are not inspiration porn

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LovelyBranches · 26/03/2026 00:28

Justkeepswimmiing · 26/03/2026 00:23

I did. You do realise that resilience is a huge indicator of wellbeing? Children that lack resilience struggle more in life.

I work with adults who were taught resilience culture from childhood and they are far more likely to burn out because they get leaned on to do more with fewer resources. They often manage it until something breaks and it’s usually them.

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Justkeepswimmiing · 26/03/2026 00:25

LovelyBranches · 26/03/2026 00:23

Please understand that this comment is actually ableist. Her disability very much does define what she can and can’t do and saying otherwise is akin to closing your eyes and saying la la la.

What about paralympians?

You just sound like you expected your daughter to get in and you want to throw your toys out of the pram until someone tells you it was grossly unfair and you're well within your rights to protest. This is aibu and I do think yabu.

Life isn't perfect. Better she fail now and learn how to develop a positive/growth mindset, than never fail and struggle when she's older.

LovelyBranches · 26/03/2026 00:24

Comefromaway · 26/03/2026 00:18

I used to run a kids performing arts group, my husband is a singing teacher & both my children now perform professionally.

in this instance OP I 1000% agree with you.

I’ve been in the situation where I had to audition kids at my group for a professional opportunity. I would never allow a situation where a tiny number from a cohort were rejected.

something similar happened to my own daughter in year 5. A special choir event that only happened every two years. my dd was one of the very few from year 5 who auditioned who didn’t get in due to numbers. The children who did get in teased her about it.

she convinced herself it was because she was rubbish but a few months later she got a lead role in a touring professional production & the next year was offered a place at full time musical theatre school.

in your instance op they should have taken all of year 5 & 6 and told year 4 they would get their opportunity in the future.

This is exactly what I fear. I’m so sorry your dd got teased.

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Toomuchprivateinfo · 26/03/2026 00:24

I’m guessing if she’d got in you wouldn’t have a problem and would think it was all perfectly fair and reasonable….

LovelyBranches · 26/03/2026 00:23

Justkeepswimmiing · 26/03/2026 00:20

Her disability doesn't define what she can and can't do. Everyone is unique and has brilliant strengths.

Kindly, op you need to look at how to boost your daughter's self esteem and resilience. If she relies too heavy on extrinsic factors like her peers for her own self-esteem, she will struggle... She is struggling. Reinforce how you see that she's really sad and that is a shame, but she will get the chance to try against next year. She may not have made the choir yet, but there is always another chance. Etc etc.

Her worth does not come purely from this one hobby.

Please understand that this comment is actually ableist. Her disability very much does define what she can and can’t do and saying otherwise is akin to closing your eyes and saying la la la.

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Justkeepswimmiing · 26/03/2026 00:23

LovelyBranches · 26/03/2026 00:21

Please see my earlier comments about resilience. It’s a word I dislike and won’t be teaching my daughter to sit and suffer to look ‘resilient’

I did. You do realise that resilience is a huge indicator of wellbeing? Children that lack resilience struggle more in life.

LovelyBranches · 26/03/2026 00:21

Justkeepswimmiing · 26/03/2026 00:14

Use this as a teachable moment to educate her about resilience. She can have the courage to face the adversity and next time she'll know what resources she can draw on to cope.

Please see my earlier comments about resilience. It’s a word I dislike and won’t be teaching my daughter to sit and suffer to look ‘resilient’

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Justkeepswimmiing · 26/03/2026 00:20

LovelyBranches · 25/03/2026 22:19

DD thought this was her place to shine. She has a physical disability so sports wasn’t as option.

Her disability doesn't define what she can and can't do. Everyone is unique and has brilliant strengths.

Kindly, op you need to look at how to boost your daughter's self esteem and resilience. If she relies too heavy on extrinsic factors like her peers for her own self-esteem, she will struggle... She is struggling. Reinforce how you see that she's really sad and that is a shame, but she will get the chance to try against next year. She may not have made the choir yet, but there is always another chance. Etc etc.

Her worth does not come purely from this one hobby.

Comefromaway · 26/03/2026 00:18

I used to run a kids performing arts group, my husband is a singing teacher & both my children now perform professionally.

in this instance OP I 1000% agree with you.

I’ve been in the situation where I had to audition kids at my group for a professional opportunity. I would never allow a situation where a tiny number from a cohort were rejected.

something similar happened to my own daughter in year 5. A special choir event that only happened every two years. my dd was one of the very few from year 5 who auditioned who didn’t get in due to numbers. The children who did get in teased her about it.

she convinced herself it was because she was rubbish but a few months later she got a lead role in a touring professional production & the next year was offered a place at full time musical theatre school.

in your instance op they should have taken all of year 5 & 6 and told year 4 they would get their opportunity in the future.

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