"Not all men” replies are ridiculous

So when someone starts thread about racism, do you pop in to post "not all white people"? If not, why not?

Not all men but if I gave you a box of 10 malteasers and told you one was actually made out of poo, you’d be wary of them all
That would apply to all generalisations, that's the problem. You could use that same analogy for women, old people, people of certain nationality etc... Hence toxic!

Not all people create post worth reading.

Not really

That's a simple but effective way of making your point lol

did you generalise about men there?

Not all bad men manage to get partners.

Bit of an own goal 😂

Both genders can be bloody awful
I also work in a job where impartiality is at the core of the work. I certainly see some very poor behaviour and thinking on both sides. Differently maybe but harmful nevertheless.

It's much more useful to try to better understand why individuals think and act the way they do rather than stick labels on them without any effort to get them as a person.

For god's sake, you use generalisations all the time. Everyone does. Life couldn't function without them
And those who try to reduce them in their lives are living much better for it. How would life not function without them?

So let’s try your theft argument because there is truth in your statement.

Most petty theft is done by women
Most house burglary is done by men.
Most armed robbery is done by men.

So in fact you have sort of proved the point that men are violent.

Not all dog owners hang dog poo on trees but only dog owners.

Not all men rape but only men rape.

Right but what are you actually correcting here? Nobody is making false generalisations. For an internet forum, this has been incredibly well researched - people are giving statistics and facts to support their generalisations.

what is your issue?

The difference between me and the male apologists is I don’t need to shout at you saying NOT ALL WOMEN!!! We know not all women abuse their children and can talk about abusive mothers without shouting about it.
the facts speak to for themselves.

This. There are good and bad people in the world. Of both sexes. 🙄

I worked in a child protections services - and not all women are nurturing Earth Mothers. Some abuse and neglect and neglect their children.

Both genders can be bloody awful.

I don’t understand what you are trying to say, sorry.

I’ve already said that reversing the sentence can give correct generalisations. I’m not saying we shouldn’t generalise at all, just that we should make them correct.

Er, no?

Us generalising about them makes us worse than them generalising about us.
Who mentioned abuse?

Are you OK?

But how do you talk about this without making generalisations? You need to to make protective laws. You can’t be like no walk outside any time you like drunk because women would probably get hurt. You have to make generalisations at this level to find what works and how to improve it.

Are you seriously trying to argue that if women say 'men are abusers', it makes them worse than actual rapists and abusers??

Wow. Patriarchy in action, right here.

Correct, it does.

The reason to argue the point is that it’s important. We don’t like it when men make generalisations about women; indeed, the patriarchy is built upon false ‘women’ generalisations.
To make false generalisations about them makes us as bad, if not worse than them because we understand the harm it does.

I'm sure the men will appreciate your ardent defence of them. The poor dears desperately need protection from the disapproving wariness of women – it's so brutal and oppressive.

What about patriarchy harms women and benefits men? Like can it not just be that simple? Why argue with something so obvious and widespread?

You’re not understanding. The point is we know it’s not all of them - but it’s usually one of them. To say ‘not all men’ dismisses this by assuming the audience lacks the intelligence to understand the nuances.

im not talking about safeguarding. Im talking about women’s rights. Historically, and even now, patriarchy harms women and benefits men. Yes, not all of them - WE KNOW. Don’t insult our intelligence. Don’t dismiss the issue.

But a lot of ‘men’ generalisations are incorrect

Men are arseholes is wrong. Most men aren’t.
Men are sexual predators is wrong. The vast majority are not.
Men are misogynists is wrong.

You get my drift…

The sentences need to be reversed to make correct generalisations:

Arseholes are men. Correct.
Sexual predators are men. Correct.
Misogynists are men. Correct.

But just because SOME men are bad, and as as a result we have to base safeguarding on the grounds that we cannot know which are which, does NOT mean all/most of men are like that. That is misandry, not safeguarding.

I am out of this thread. Should have kept away as it is clearly just a rage baiting clarion call.

I didn’t even mention Muslim countries. The USA is a pretty terrible example right now.
and I have just shouted someone down earlier for bringing race into it.

in every country, in the world, where men are in charge (patriarchy) women get hurt. It doesn’t matter what their religion is, what their skin colour is, where the country is based.

it is probably usually always a man.