"Not all men” replies are ridiculous

Why have you assumed I assumed she hasn’t? I didn’t say she hadn’t. I told her something she could do instead to be an ally to equality.

Spot on.

yes. This is much safer when walking alone at night. I’d be an idiot if I didn’t.

Men’s feelings are not the most important thing in the world. They’ve been socialised into believing this but it’s not true.i d rather have hurt feelings than be raped. How can you compare the two???
So you think that by making generalisations that all men can be rapists, treat than individually as potential rapists, when there is only 1 chance in many thousands that is the case and you are in danger, it is worth ignoring how the other many thousands feel because they don't matter? And you think that doing so the number of rapists is likely to go down in the future?

Better to direct that energy into teaching him how to treat women with respect and proving the statement rather than bleating it to people who’ve told you it’s reductive because we KNOW it’s not all of them
Why the assumption the poster hasn't done so? Oh wait, generalisations 😁 I didnt have to teach my child to treat women with respect. I taught him to treat everyone with respect.

Men’s feelings are not the most important thing in the world. They’ve been socialised into believing this but it’s not true.
id rather have hurt feelings than be raped. How can you compare the two???

And no one has ever said that either
When it is implied that men's experiences or feelings don't matter, that's exactly what it is.

That doesn't mean all winter days are freezing or that all summer days are hot. But it's a generalisation that gets you through the year without finding yourself in the middle of winter wearing a sundress outside
I don't understand this! I don't wear a coat because it's winter. I wear a coat on the basis of the temperature outside. If there was a sudden hitwave and it was 30 degrees in December, yes, I'd wear a dress, not go on a walk with a heavy coat because it's December. Would you?

Better to direct that energy into teaching him how to treat women with respect and proving the statement rather than bleating it to people who’ve told you it’s reductive because we KNOW it’s not all of them

I will continue to say not all men. I have a young adult son. I will continue to say it because you carnt tar all men with the same brush, especially when you including my son as all men.

They dont say things. Bless them. Feeling a bit silenced are they? Is that necessarily a bad thing that women are calling them what they are if they express sexist views?

what man decides what to wear, where to go, who to go with etc knowing if something happens people probably won’t believe them and talk about what they were wearing while the man will get away with it? Gay ones maybe - but the enemy is still the same. Men.

im sorry the little snowflakes can’t cope with accountability.

and my answer? Opt out. Unless you are actively fighting for or protecting my rights, including calling out your sexist bros and refusing to watch porn, I’m avoiding you. Prove to me you’re not that type of guy. Why do I need to do the work of assessing you first when the facts speak for themselves?

Agree.

And also, it IS all men.

Or at least, all men benefit from the limits placed on women's agency by the fact that women can never know what kind of man they're dealing with until it's too late.

Because men have been in power for ages, the solutuons is to do the same to them and make them feel powerless so women can finally have their turn in power?

And no one has ever said that either

How do you decide what to wear each day?

Generally, the winter is cold and the summer is warm. Do you wear a big coat in the winter but not in the summer.

That doesn't mean all winter days are freezing or that all summer days are hot. But it's a generalisation that gets you through the year without finding yourself in the middle of winter wearing a sundress outside.

Men are not a powerless group in our society. So even if most women made generalisations about them, so what, really?
Actually young men are feeling very powerless. They dint say things because they fear assumptions will drawn about them, not vases on them but the generalisations that are made about men in general, which might not apply to them at all.

So what really? Because men have been in power for ages, the solutuons is to do the same to them and make them feel powerless so women can finally have their turn in power?

That's not my vision of a healthy and productive future.

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If men don’t like it they should start calling misogyny out because then no one would making these statements cause they wouldn’t exist.

Could not agree more!

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I'm some cases yes. But they tend to be cases where the group being generalised about holds low levels of power and so are at risk that the generalisations made about them will translate to detriment towards them (discrimination is prejudice PLUS power. Without the power the prejudice/generalisation is toothless).
Men are not a powerless group in our society. So even if most women made generalisations about them, so what, really?
Are they suddenly going to become less safe on the streets and in their homes? Earn less than us? Be demoted from their positions of authority and influence? Basically what harm do men specifically suffer if some women generalise about their behaviour?
Because ime there tends to be two responses from men to these discussions. Either they agree, because they've seen the stats, they've observed the behaviour and they know that while it's not all men it's male patterned behaviour. Or they dismiss it. We're crazy man haters, bitter feminists who they can ignore. And they do.
What I've never come across is a man psychologically, socially or practically harmed by the acknowledgement that some behaviours are displayed almost exclusively by men and a lot of men display them.
The good ones know it doesn't include them. The bad ones excuse and defend. And those in the middle don't give it anywhere near as much headspace as their female defenders do.

All policies started because people started talking about an issue.

No as has been stated 1 in 4 WOMEN will be raped in their lifetime.

You have ben on this thread for a while maybe you haven’t read any of the stats?

Generalisations are really important actually.
They are not sweeping statements.

To understand risk and make safety improvements we have to generalise.

Statement - Women take longer to go to the toilet than men.
This is a generalisation and has been used to increase provision in women’s toilets to reduce queues. It is a sweeping statement because not all women take longer.

Statement- Women are shorter than men.
From this statement we could petition to get every day furniture and car seat belts o be made to fit our general height as opposed to men’s. Of course you won’t hear people argue but not all women are shorter than men.

Statement- We have a problem with male violence against women and girls in the UK.
We can generalise about the men as a sex class using accurate from data and facts such as rape stats and highlight the problems they are causing to women and girls. The male sex class has a massive impact on women’s freedoms to go about their day without being catcalled, attacked, flashed at, or even use the internet without receiving rape threats for having an opinion etc. This is a male sex class problem, not a known individual who could be called out individually.

If men don’t like it they should start calling misogyny out because then no one would making these statements cause they wouldn’t exist.

And often they are there to protect people
Whilst harming others! Assumptions that are made on you, especially when these involve you putting someone in danger, based only on stereotypes and generalisations which has nothing to do with you as person does do emotional harming in the long term.

Intelligent people recognise their biases, check them and use them in ways that benefit others.
eg. Poor children do worse at school - pupil premium. Not all children need it. But we do it anyway.do you see why your argument isn’t landing?
But that is the problem, people don't recognise their biases or check them. They use generalisations to apply to individuals even when they are no signs that it applies to that person.

This is totally different to using statistics to form policies to benefit specific groups.

I think we’re allowed to disagree.
I don’t think you sound ridiculous. I just disagree with you.

??? 1 in 4 men are rapists?!

This. I never understand why women work so hard to defend men in conversations like this.

They're likely not here to read it so their feelings aren't getting hurt, they probably wouldn't care if they did read it (a decent man would likely wince, shrug and say 'fair enough', and a shitty man deserves the generalisation), and they're not going to think any better of a woman who goes out of her way to defend their 'honour' (in fact the shitty ones would probably laugh, and think, 'dumb bitch').

It's such an Aunt Lydia thing to do - a collaborator, hoping to curry favour with their masters by showing what a good and faithful servant they are.