"Not all men” replies are ridiculous

No. Men as a class are more violent than women. Because of this, the men I work with are more likely to contain a violent individual than the women, so I will risk assess accordingly.

I'm afraid the thread is divided into those who understand this and those who don't. The first group have tried many times in many ways to explain this to the second group. The second group just keep repeating "But it's not ALL men though..."
You can refer to 'men' as a classification. That's fine, but OP is talking about generalisation. The definition of generalisation is: the act of forming broad principles or conclusions from specific facts, often applying a general rule to many cases.

That's what posters have an issue with. The classification is: men are more sexually violent than women.

The generalisation is: men as a classification are more violent and so that applies to the men I work with and I'm going to treat them accordingly.

No,not ALL men,but whatever it is it nearly always IS men. Perpetrators of serious crime are predominantly men. I was astounded to discover that there is just under 88000 men in prison in the UK compared to just over 3500 women. Says it all really. I don't believe for one minute that the law is harder on men than it is on women,I think it has been proven that it is actually harder on women.

I'm afraid the thread is divided into those who understand this and those who don't. The first group have tried many times in many ways to explain this to the second group. The second group just keep repeating "But it's not ALL men though..."

Men as a class do X. This does not mean all men do X. It does mean that men are the category of person who is likely to have done X when X occurs.

I’m tired and not a legal expert.
so what would happen in the case of
a teacher and student
a dr and patient
etc?
why not call it what it is? Rape - having eex with someone who can’t consent?

There is - under s9 of the act. Also s7, and s8

Yeah I don’t like this. I’m not saying it’s endemic but it happens.

I don’t like this. I personally think it should be changed. I also don’t like how there isn’t statutory rape - there are loads of cases where people can’t consent and to not call it what it is dismisses experiences.
i hate that im having to defend men here 🤢

There is no law of statutory rape in the UK. That's an American thing
Sexual relations with/abuse of a minor would be the charge I believe

Agree with this. Every rapists mother seems to think he's innocent and a lovely lad who would never...

So much so, that whenever I see a mum of men on SM rabbit on about how lovely their son is I do wonder.
None so blind eh?

I’m saying rapists are men.

Of course rapists are men - The law does not recognise anything else.

A women could ram a huge cucumber into another woman, or even a man, and she would stlll not be guilty of rape (just assault by penetration).

Sexual Offences Act 2003,
A person (A) commits an offence if—
(a) he intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (B) with his penis,
(b) B does not consent to the penetration, and
(c) A does not reasonably believe that B consents.

FWIW, the CPS have argued that consent can be withdrawn at any time and that it is not necessary for Person B to notify Person A - a position I find quite bizarre given the strictures of (c).

But no one said it’s all men.

The word ‘men’ is defining the group the perpetrators belong to.

Women have periods. correct

All women have periods. not correct

Get it??

Why is it so hard to understand?

Because it's not all men. Why is that so hard to understand?

Many people don’t understand class analysis. Which is why it’s difficult to have a rational debate with many people.

Yes, that is what people say when someone generalises.

That is what this whole thread is about.

When someone says

There is a problem with men raping women and girls in society

Apologists start derailing the discussion saying “not ALL men"

I was going to caveat the ‘women’ in the stat because it does indeed include trans women. I just didn’t want to derail the thread by bringing it up because I feared the response😂
But indeed the stat is slightly lower for biological women.

Take a look at the thread title🙄

@Laserwho

When people discuss issues they might generalise, they would say

example - There is a problem with Men raping women in society.

No one said all men, they were saying generally as above.

I said earlier in response to another poster that All men have the potential to rape. Because they do because they have a penis and it differentiates hat women don’t have the potential to rape. I didn’t say all men are rapists.

No one has said All men are…….anything

Two points

One, the statistic above uses the word 'gender', not sex. It is a fact that male perpetrators of sexual assault in the UK have been recorded as female if they claimed to be women, so the figure of 10% for female perpetrators could well be too high. The same is true in other jurisdictions.

Two, we still don't know which of the men unknown to us Are Like That and which are not. We therefore have to regard any man we don't know with caution. Because A Lot Of Men Are Like That.

who said what was all men?

What are you talking about?

Which proves my point that it's not all men

All women have the potential to sexually assault, yes that would be a fact.

Statistics on Sexual Assault
Gender of Perpetrator Percentage of Cases
Male
90%
Female
10%

Are men having to change their behaviour such as getting a cab home or putting keys between their fingers because they fear women might attack them on their way home at night? Probably not.

It is very much more likely that men fear men because they are far more likely to be attacked by a man.

So men fear men and women fear men.