"Not all men” replies are ridiculous

Exactly
yes the vast majority of violent and sexual crimes are committed by men
a tiny percentage of men
so it isn’t all men
do you all think your husbands and sons are “all men”?
i definitely don’t and find it really upsetting that anyone with a son thinks that about their own child, do you hate them because they are men?

You don’t always need to ice a cake.

I don’t think it needs to be said every time a situation arises that it’s not all men. We know that, we aren’t saying it is all men. However, if we are going by personal experience then to that I say, it’s a lot of men. I could not list the number of times in my experience thus far (I’m in my fifties), that I have been:

harrassed by a strange man
assaulted by a strange man
spoken down to by a man
sexually assaulted by a man known to me
physically assaulted by a man both known and strangers
stalked by a man
made to feel uncomfortable by a man
spoken to inappropriately by a man

These were not all one off incidents. I encountered consistent harassment when I was younger, often just walking along the street on my own, in a nightclub, at work and even in my own home. All by men, lots of different men.

What a load of wanky old shit.

Women like you two are the whole problem it this sort of debate 😂

No, not all men. But all women have many, or at least one tale of a random man in their lifetime that they have encountered at some point who were behaving in an inappropriate manner towards them, all of us have. I many age groups, from school age i to elderly years. Not all men can say that about women.

'vast majority of men are good'
Nah, I'm losing faith in this argument every day.

Over 70000 men in a group chat about sexual assaulting women. https://medium.com/illumination/this-rape-group-chat-has-70-000-male-members-but-please-tell-me-how-i-should-say-some-men-0f761d4aa018

These men are not outliers. It's difficult to come to terms with, but these are our men too.

I was waiting for the "pick me" comment! Got to love a misogynistic insult!

Like I said. It’s the narcissists playbook. I think im
going to rest for the night now. I enjoy putting incels in their places but im not doing anymore research for male apologists. That’s them just labour digging AGAIN.

Not all men, but always men.

Not many men are convicted. Why don’t you go and research how may women report sexual assault in their lifetimes (I think it’s 2 out of 3 but please correct me if I’m wrong) and tell me how you’d explain those figures.

Most criminals are men but most men are not criminals. It's not the same thing. Actually barely any men are criminals.

And even the good ones let themselves down, they can’t help themselves. My piano teacher - a really nice guy, married to a woman with a phd, his daughter is exceptionally intelligent and capable…still sneers at female composers and doesn’t seem to understand that they were held back by the boys club system (and still are).

What really got through to my dh was saying that women are completely reliant on men choosing not to harm them and they have every right to be cautious about ALL men. Like the malteaser analogy.

OK, what about "Men in vans catcall teenage girls"? This is obviously not untrue, because we know it happens. It's a statement of fact. However it means something very different from
"All men in vans catcall teenage girls" which is a generalisation and obviously untrue.
The point of the thread is that people would be justified in saying 'not all men...' in respect of the second, but that it's superfluous in respect of the first, because 'all men' wasnt what was said.

And how many send a dick pic to a woman who’s not interested?
how many make a woman feel uncomfortable at work by a thoughtless comment?
how many benefited at work from the belief of ‘oh don’t promote her, she’ll be pregnant next year?’
how many have wives that do everything for them everyday because that’s how it’s always been and ‘I just didn’t realise?’
you want to be an ally? Check your privelege, you cannot seriously say as a man you’ve never benefitted from sexism.

Conversely a very rough ballpark is that only a few percent of men (often ~1–5%) will ever commit a recorded violent offence in their lifetime and an even smaller group (around 1% or less) commit most of the serious or repeated violence. Conviction-based estimates suggest well under 1% of men are ever convicted of a sexual offence.
So it's not 'not all men', it's 'barely any men'.

But what if they were quoting a study where theyd interviewed 10,000 men in the Uk who represented a larger sample, and in that sample 9,000 said they at least tolerated it if it meant they could socialise with their mates?

outside of this I agree though. It’s reductive and sexist to make sweeping claims

If somone said to me 'men love football' like a universal truth, i'd just think they were a bit dim tbh. Same as if someone insisted that women love spa days.

Agree OP. Unfortunately the patriarchy has come up with a really fucking annoying phrase that just deflects from the harm that men are doing in the world.

If she was saying ‘men love football’ would you need to add ‘not all men’ or would you assume the audience is intelligent enough to already get the nuance?