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DabOfPistachio · 04/03/2026 12:10

I do find this interesting. This kind of denial comes from a few things, I think. There's the well known phenomenon of confirmation bias where people simply give more weight to any information that fits what they already believe and discard what doesn't. But I think for a certain type of person, it goes a lot further. I think there are a lot of people whose entire identity is wrapped up in being a 'Good Person' on the side of right.
And it's much easier to simplify everything into Gaza = Good and Israel = bad than it is to look at the incredibly complex politics and history behind the middle East, behind Israeli history, behind Hamas, behind Gaza and Palestine.
I think its a form of deep intellectual laziness and cowardice. If the October attacks didn't happen, then that 'Good Person TM' can go ahead and campaign and malign Israel in good conscience.
No questions have to be asked. No thought needs to be be given as to how to solve an incredibly complex and longstanding religious and political problem. They don't have to do anything other than turn up with a placard and shout a bunch of slogans and sleep easily at night knowing they are doing right.
But if the October attacks did happen, then as a 'Good Person', then if they are simply going along with everything, including supporting Hamas, then they are aligning themselves with something so incredibly horrific that their brains refuse to believe it can be true.
Because that puts them into the bad people camp.
People don't like questioning themselves or their own beliefs. Even on this thread, we've had a poster look at the source of the story as the Daily Mail and immediately try to persuade us all to dismiss it.
They've not made any attempt to verify whether this particular story true or its not. Just dismissed it because that's easier than asking whether it is and then having to reassess or update their beliefs and knowledge about the Green Party.
In many ways, I think this kind of thinking has replaced a lot of traditional religious belief as Britain has become more secular. It's turning a particular political alignment into something in which you either have complete faith and need to defend, or you're a heretic.

MyLimeGuide · 04/03/2026 12:03

OrangeAxolotyl · 04/03/2026 12:00

I would assume most of us on here would be the same.

I hope so!! ❤️

LucyWestenra · 04/03/2026 12:03

Firry · 04/03/2026 12:01

You could always vote tactically for mainstream party though. Reform and Greens are both as bad as each other. They’re both utterly abhorrent. Who in their right mind would vote for either of these disgusting options?

Edited

Exactly, I can’t understand why any woman would want to vote for the Greens at this moment in time.

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LucyWestenra · 04/03/2026 12:02

Firry · 04/03/2026 11:55

We have had crazy Green politicians in power in Scotland and they are really mad and dangerous. Perfect example here, Maggie Chapman. So smug, priggish and stupid:

https://x.com/LBC/status/1615042633096695825/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1615042633096695825&currentTweetUser=LBC

Unfortunately the link doesn’t seem to work.

Can you say what it says, in a nutshell?

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Firry · 04/03/2026 12:01

Agrumpyknitter · 04/03/2026 11:55

It’s called tactical voting and at least it kept Reform out. What worries me more is that Reform voters lack critical thinking skills so that they are willing to forgo their employment rights, rights to bodily autonomy, maternity & paternity rights including leave and job protections, rights to equal pay, rights to an abortion, and are happy for single childless women to pay an additional tax for not having children (even if they physically can’t) and we go to a potentially ruinous private healthcare option. Reform policies impact women and disable people disproportionately. DEI isn’t just for the ethnic peoples it’s for all women and those who have protected characteristics under law. Reform also want to get rid of the two child cap so they can afford a 5p reduction in the price of a pint. Note they’re not making childless or feckless men pay additional tax or even their child support. But as long as they have a slightly cheaper pint.

Reform are happy to tell us who they are and what they are going to do if they get into power. Best believe it. One thing they won’t do is actually get rid of illegal migration entirely, because then who will they blame when the rich get even wealthier and the ignorant poor need someone to blame. They need their bogeyman and they will keep it.

You could always vote tactically for mainstream party though. Reform and Greens are both as bad as each other. They’re both utterly abhorrent. Who in their right mind would vote for either of these disgusting options?

OrangeAxolotyl · 04/03/2026 12:00

MyLimeGuide · 04/03/2026 11:53

Same. So pro human and anti murder.

I would assume most of us on here would be the same.

ItsNotYou852 · 04/03/2026 11:58

MyLimeGuide · 04/03/2026 11:53

Same. So pro human and anti murder.

Me too, pro human, anti murder but very much not into disbelieving rape victims.
I used to hope that one day the Green party could become a real political alternative but now that seems a ridiculous dream!

LucyWestenra · 04/03/2026 11:58

Twiglets1 · 04/03/2026 11:10

Of course YANBU @LucyWestenra

People hiding behind the source to say YABU need to consider that there are direct quotes from Abi Wilkinson which remain the same regardless of who reports them:

Abi Wilkinson, who joined the Green Party operation last month after previously working for Zarah Sultana of Your Party, previously said regarding rapes which took place on 7 October: “There’s absolutely no new evidence, there is not a single identified victim. It wouldn’t justify this genocide if it was true, but there’s absolutely no evidence whatsoever that it is.” Another tweet from Wilkinson on the same subject said: “there is no victim testimony, not a single one”.

https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/green-party-press-officer-denied-hamas-7-october-rape-calls-zionists-demons/

Thank you.

I had no idea she previously worked with Your Party.

That explains a lot.

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Agrumpyknitter · 04/03/2026 11:55

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 02/03/2026 18:02

The only reason those morons are in is they actively campaigned for the Muslim vote by (rightly or wrongly) smearing Reform as racist.

It’s called tactical voting and at least it kept Reform out. What worries me more is that Reform voters lack critical thinking skills so that they are willing to forgo their employment rights, rights to bodily autonomy, maternity & paternity rights including leave and job protections, rights to equal pay, rights to an abortion, and are happy for single childless women to pay an additional tax for not having children (even if they physically can’t) and we go to a potentially ruinous private healthcare option. Reform policies impact women and disable people disproportionately. DEI isn’t just for the ethnic peoples it’s for all women and those who have protected characteristics under law. Reform also want to get rid of the two child cap so they can afford a 5p reduction in the price of a pint. Note they’re not making childless or feckless men pay additional tax or even their child support. But as long as they have a slightly cheaper pint.

Reform are happy to tell us who they are and what they are going to do if they get into power. Best believe it. One thing they won’t do is actually get rid of illegal migration entirely, because then who will they blame when the rich get even wealthier and the ignorant poor need someone to blame. They need their bogeyman and they will keep it.

Firry · 04/03/2026 11:55

We have had crazy Green politicians in power in Scotland and they are really mad and dangerous. Perfect example here, Maggie Chapman. So smug, priggish and stupid:

https://x.com/LBC/status/1615042633096695825/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1615042633096695825&currentTweetUser=LBC

X

https://x.com/LBC/status/1615042633096695825/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1615042633096695825&currentTweetUser=LBC

MyLimeGuide · 04/03/2026 11:53

Namechangeyname · 03/03/2026 16:26

I am pro Palestinian and pro Israeli. I am anti Hamas and anti the ultra right-wing Israeli government. I think that distinction is an important one.

Same. So pro human and anti murder.

LucyWestenra · 04/03/2026 11:51

Boilingfrogatprimaryschool · 04/03/2026 10:51

Their strap line is not 'Hope, not Hate'. It is 'Hope not. Hate'.

They are a vile bunch of useful idiots who will find themselves discarded sooner rather than later by the voting membership pulling their strings.

Let’s hope you’re right.

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MyLimeGuide · 04/03/2026 11:51

LucyWestenra · 02/03/2026 17:27

It’s bizarre when you think about it because Hamas’ views on LGBTQ for instance would most certainly not align with the left parties’ views.

Edited

Yup. Immoral and stupid at the same time.

Wellthisisdifficult · 04/03/2026 11:50

TheKeatingFive · 04/03/2026 10:33

Can someone explain to me what happened to the Greens? I thought they were supposed to be about the environment? How did this kind of identity politics take over?

Ask Faust

Wellthisisdifficult · 04/03/2026 11:49

I’m hoping that she is ousted as an anti semite. But let’s not forget the leader of the party tried to enlarge a woman’s breasts with hypnosis.

I wonder what her views are on the Holocaust.

it’s clear they have decided to go after the Muslim vote, they are prepared to lie, deceive and call rape victims liars. They are now officially an anti woman party. Any woman who votes for the Greens now is complicit in this horrendous view of rape victims as being liars

EasternStandard · 04/03/2026 11:45

OrangeAxolotyl · 04/03/2026 11:19

I cannot begin to understand that mindset. It just horrifies me so much.

Same.

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 04/03/2026 11:37

Neither Abi Wilkinson or the Green party were held hostage by hamas.
nor were they at the Nova music festival on 7th Oct 2023.
nor were they captured from their homes in a Kibbutz.

Why would either suggest or believe that the former hostages lied.

Ridiculous.

BillieWiper · 04/03/2026 11:34

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 02/03/2026 18:02

The only reason those morons are in is they actively campaigned for the Muslim vote by (rightly or wrongly) smearing Reform as racist.

Well, rightly calling them racist. Would you vote Reform if you were Muslim?

OrangeAxolotyl · 04/03/2026 11:19

Twiglets1 · 04/03/2026 11:16

It's disgusting and the people voting YABU on this thread should be ashamed.

Whatever they think of the war in Gaza.

This is about innocent women being raped.

To close your mind to it because it's Jewish women is so disturbing.

I cannot begin to understand that mindset. It just horrifies me so much.

Twiglets1 · 04/03/2026 11:18

The Green Party are utterly discredited in my mind as even the name is dishonest now - it's nothing to do with the environment anymore.

Twiglets1 · 04/03/2026 11:16

OrangeAxolotyl · 04/03/2026 11:12

@Twiglets1 : so women's voices are denied.
Yet again. So regressive.

It's disgusting and the people voting YABU on this thread should be ashamed.

Whatever they think of the war in Gaza.

This is about innocent women being raped.

To close your mind to it because it's Jewish women is so disturbing.

OrangeAxolotyl · 04/03/2026 11:12

@Twiglets1 : so women's voices are denied.
Yet again. So regressive.

OrangeAxolotyl · 04/03/2026 11:11

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 04/03/2026 11:10

I was wondering this too.
It's a shame as they always used to be a safe protest vote for me but that is no longer a possibility now.

Me too. Plus I think the environment is such a pressing issue. I've no idea what's gone on there.

Twiglets1 · 04/03/2026 11:10

Of course YANBU @LucyWestenra

People hiding behind the source to say YABU need to consider that there are direct quotes from Abi Wilkinson which remain the same regardless of who reports them:

Abi Wilkinson, who joined the Green Party operation last month after previously working for Zarah Sultana of Your Party, previously said regarding rapes which took place on 7 October: “There’s absolutely no new evidence, there is not a single identified victim. It wouldn’t justify this genocide if it was true, but there’s absolutely no evidence whatsoever that it is.” Another tweet from Wilkinson on the same subject said: “there is no victim testimony, not a single one”.

https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/green-party-press-officer-denied-hamas-7-october-rape-calls-zionists-demons/

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 04/03/2026 11:10

TheKeatingFive · 04/03/2026 10:33

Can someone explain to me what happened to the Greens? I thought they were supposed to be about the environment? How did this kind of identity politics take over?

I was wondering this too.
It's a shame as they always used to be a safe protest vote for me but that is no longer a possibility now.