To think this is utterly disgusting?!?

Again some shocking ignorance being commented on here. Yes, many religious Muslim women choose to wear a veil. Just like Jewish orthodox women choose to wear wigs in public according to their traditions.

And if you watch videos of day to day life in Iran you will see that most women do not wear veils and many do not cover their hair. They are now in fear of being bombed, however.

@LucyWestenra is helping Jewish people like me to cope with the almost constant abuse we get online. Just because you 'have Jewish heritage' (really?) doesn't entitle you to say Lucy 'is not helping Jewish people'. Get over yourself.

Semantics, surely?

Ok, so we probably can't say that it's definitely a Genocide.

But, equally, given that the UN Commission have said that they believe it is, surely we can't say that it definitely ISN'T either.

Personally, if my government was pursuing actions that resulted in the UN deliberating whether it was a Genocide or not, I doubt I'd think that was a good place to be...

I like to be even-handed in this. I'm happy to call what Hamas did on October 7th, a terrorist attack, and what Israel has done in Gaza, a genocide.

' Baddies ' on both sides, if you prefer..

The ridiculous and pathetic part of this is that the regimes they're supporting are the POLAR OPPOSITE of the progressive puppies-and-rainbows ideals that these people claim to have. Zero braincells.

Your other post said that you were not Jewish. I do however have Jewish heritage. I find antisemitism abhorrent too. However, I also have slightly more understanding about the wider picture than you do. You are not helping Jewish people or preventing antisemitism with threads like this. Promoting partisan geopolitical ideologies which are related to land and power, not people, will not lead to peace.

This.

Rape deniers are disgusting. Vile.

I will never vote for a party who deny women who are raped.

"Green Party leader Zack Polanski has hired a spin doctor who denies women were raped in the October 7 Hamas attacks in Israel.

Abi Wilkinson – appointed just days before the party’s victory in the Gorton and Denton by-election – posted on social media: ‘There is no Israeli woman who’s said she was raped by militants.’

She also tweeted: ‘There’s absolutely no new evidence, there is not a single identified victim.’"

That's just one enquiry though.

Legally, the case that South Africa brought before the International Court of Justice in December 2023 (South Africa v Israel) is still ongoing.

No decision has been reached so to say that Israel has committed genocide is your opinion not a legal verdict.

If I can refer you to my previous post...

... actually, hang on, I still have the link saved: Israel has committed genocide in Gaza, UN commission of inquiry says - BBC News

It really isn't.

Israel has committed genocide in Gaza, according to the UN commission of enquiry.

Link is here: Israel has committed genocide in Gaza, UN commission of inquiry says - BBC News

Happy to help. ( As it used to say on my ASDA badge )

Doesn't make what happened on Oct 7th any less appalling, obviously - but I only say that because I'm capable of holding two different thoughts in my head at one time. Unlike some.

Where do you find your information? I have checked the relevant UK govmt website pages and it doesn't say this.

How would you like your country to be bombed by a third party who decided that there should be a regime change? How has regime changes helped Syria or Iraq?

I think you are just jumping on a bandwagon like the other poster, without having any idea of the potential consequences.

Israel has not committed genocide and repeating the lie will not make it true.

Just to clarify here for you, before I go, the coherent point was "If you genuinely support human rights, extend it to all human beings not just one group"

Rather than jump on a bandwagon without investigating, investigate for yourself.

I think that that is coherent.

I think the Iranian regime are evil terrorists and whatever fills the void must SURELY be a better outcome for the Iranian people. It’s not hard to envision a government that doesn’t mass slaughter its civilian population. They’ve set a low bar.

Excuse me, no one is trying to make Israel the baddie. I am sorry but I am seriously questioning your motive here too. This is a predominantly very partisan thread and not helpful at all.

I am out now.

I think you don't have a coherent point to make.

Surely we can avoid childish terminology like ' making Israel the baddie ' ?

As another poster has said, surely we can be objective and factual about this?

Yes, Hamas carried out an appalling attack on October 7th, kidnapping and killing hundreds of Israelis, including people who were at a music festival. I don't know whether any of the Israeli women who were there were raped, but I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case.

Also yes, Israel has carried out a genocide against the Palestinian people, settling on land that was agreed to be theirs, conducting violence and intimidation against them, and - most recently - bombing Gaza to absolute rubble.

Both of these things can be - and I believe are - true at the same time. You don't need to make one side or the other the ' baddie ' . We're not in kindergarten ffs.

I agree, OP, that the things she said are completely unacceptable.

I hope she does some antisemitism awareness training - I think that would be helpful. m
If she doesn’t learn from that training, I think Polanski should think about whether to keep her in her role. I remember the Labour MP Naz Shah making antisemitic comments and then doing antisemitism training, which she says she found useful.

I’m not Jewish but am becoming increasingly interested in Judaism, and as part of that, I’ve read quite a bit about Judaism and antisemitism - as very unfortunately, the two seem to go hand in hand. I think antisemitism is much more accepted - and often harder to detect - than other forms of hatred.

I feel exactly the same. I don't even have social media and didn't seek the images out. Then - as you say - feel guilty for thinking like that.

You think that one nation is "good" and another is "bad"?