To think this is utterly disgusting?!?

I agree that, if true, this is appalling.

I've worked with historians and students of the 2 world wars and I noticed a strange tendency to 'rubbish' atrocity stories from both of the wars. It's a kind of sequence: one side accuses the other of terrible atrocities (too awful to describe here) and everyone is horrified. Then scepticism starts to creep in and the stories are questioned, often resulting in a sort of blanket dismissal of them as propaganda.

Sure, there might be an element of exaggeration and propaganda in these (for example) anti-German stories but in fact many were well-documented and found to be worse than the 'folklore'. Look at what happened at Oradour-sur-Glane, or the horrific pogroms of the Nazi invasion of the USSR.

I remember it was a a kind of badge of honour for some people in that context to dismiss atrocity stories as mere propaganda but these things DO happen. People are capable of horrific sadism, especially when they perceive it as justified revenge. I think some people cannot cope with this reality - they want to believe everyone is basically good and decent. They're not.

I know these terrible things happened on October 7th and I'm shocked that anyone who claims to be a serious politician could claim otherwise.

Yes. The side of respecting everyone whatever their origin..
Clearly you have a problem with that.
🤔

The green party can't be antisemitic their leader is a Jewish man , pretty sure this was the argument for why Ukraine didn't have a nazi battalion or nazi problem because Zelensky is Jewish. Sadly racism and anti Muslim hatred is actually being pushed by pro Israeli jews and other Zionists in the west to normalise the racist Israeli regime. Look at who owns GB news and who he is married too, look at the recent news Jewish Sharon Osborne being dropped by a homelessness charity for supporting Tommy Robinson, look how every vocal anti Muslim politician praises Israel, they are being funded. Pro Israeli Jews are very racist indeed, in fact the whole idea of Israel is racist and so is the idea of a "chosen people" in an ancient book who can just come and ethnically cleanse a whole population who were actually in the land before Abraham came there from Iraq according to their own book.

What a vile, racist post. No wonder there have been so many antisemitic attacks recently when people are ooenly posting shite like this.

And we know which side you're on, eh...

So someone who believes that there are too many Jews in government might be in charge of an area with a Synagogue. Chilling.

Rightly.

Come on, you can't be that naive/obtuse/dim. Reform are racist. Period.

Oh wait. You said 'smearing'. So it's clear whose side you're on.

They really know how to pick them.

https://spectator.com/article/why-is-this-green-candidate-sharing-an-anti-semitic-post/

If they have read this thread they will be clear about the modus operandi at least.

Meanwhile:

The sound of crickets from The Green Party. Maybe they are too busy trying hypnosis on their voting numbers, allegedly hypnosis grows things 🙄

As you long as you understand that what you (plural) have accused me of in terms of believing or denying or dismissing is not at all true, and nothing I have said would justify such accusations, I am happy to leave things there.

There has been no making things up or going off on tangents or grasping at anything on my part at all. I have pushed backed at that, not the other way round.

Bottom line here, I think, is that what we should be focusing on is that we need a fair and equal two state solution to be negotiated and agreed, and confirmations from all parties that there will be no more attacking by any party after that has been agreed. This is what will bring long term safety and peace for all.

😴stop posting AT me; it's boring.

I'm not going to reply to you anymore. Enough posters have already pushed back against your claims, but the grasping at anything, making things up and going off in tangents is tiresome.

Enjoy your day and stop bothering me 🙄

Here you are again, believing Hamas proscribed terrorists over evidence shown in reports.

I haven't said what I believed. I have said this more than once now.
Saying "Tom said x and Olivia said y and Joseph said Z and there is conflict in what is being said, and some people believe Tom and some people believe Olivia and some people believe Joseph" is not the same thing as saying I believe any one thing over the other. I didn't say anything about what I believed.
I hope that this helps you understand why I was so disgusted over the personal attacks and that you give it a rest now.
Or go back and actually watch the report I linked and then pass comment on that, perhaps.

Sorry, I thought you had read my posts and were responding.

The two reports you refer to were the ones done more recently. This is the conflict of evidence which I referred to.

I won't be able to answer any more of your questions, you will need to read the full thread, and watch the links.

'What Hamas said' and 'what is true' can be (and often are) completely different things.

Here you are again, believing Hamas proscribed terrorists over evidence shown in reports.

False flags! My goodness, what they did on 7th October was not false flags.

Why do you keep parroting what 'Hamas says', why do you believe them so readily?

Which one? The one saying there had been rapes or the one saying there had been rapes?

One report

i) the magnitude of the situation, characterized by a large number of casualties in dispersed crime scenes involving multiple perpetrators in a context of active combat situation for several days; ii) a context in which various forms of violence occurred, with extensive brutality, including postmortem mutilation and booby-trapping of corpses; iii) the high number of bodies with destructive burn damage, which made the identification of potential crimes of sexual violence impossible; iv) the prioritization of rescue operations and the recovery, identification, and burial of the deceased in accordance with religious practices over the collection of forensic evidence,

As in other conflict-affected contexts, there remains a significant likelihood that the findings of the mission team, in terms of verified violations, only partially reflect the crimes actually committed.

The other report

When examining this group of first-hand survivors, one should bear in mind that the vast majority of those who were sexually assaulted were among the 1,166 who were murdered in the attack and therefore silenced forever.

Lots of things are against the beliefs of muslims, but they still happen! Do you seriously believe that no person who is a Muslim, has ever gone against their religious beliefs?

Just as things are against the beliefs of other religions, but they still happen, people of other religions also go against their particular beliefs.

I agree. Very contradicting comments. They didn’t rape because it goes against their beliefs 😂ridiculous claim. Fortunately for the deniers they filmed themselves on their raping, killing jolly and were celebrated for their victory/achievements (insert appropriate adjective).

Honestly, I've heard it all now. 🙄

I am completely baffled by this thread. Usually I can skim through and understand. But I'm not sure what point @magneticclocks is trying to make.

She claims Abi W (the Green Party Woman as you call her) posted tweets which basically said the same thing as the professionals who were appointed to investigate rape after Oct 7. That the professionals had said that there had not been evidence provided, that they had asked Israel for evidence and nothing had been given, and that there was very little evidence at all and nothing which suggested that rape had been systemic
So there is 'very little evidence [of rape, one assumes], which would imply that perhaps the multiple accounts of rape cannot all have been true. But then
There is no implication that women lied about rape, as has been stated numerous times, and you saying that is incredibly disingenuous.

The Parliamentary Commission report, which Magnetic claims to have read, states, By total contrast, our Report details that horrific acts of systematic rape and sexual abuse took place, in contradiction to Koranic teaching (p.5)

There are also accounts that hostages were sexually assaulted.

Err no... the Green Party woman said that there was no evidence and no victims had come forward
Well, she was spouting lies then, wasn't she? Either that or she is completely blinkered. Neither is a good look in someone with political influence.

What about this...what about that...etc etc etc.

I have pushed back at the claims of no rape. I've not waffled on about various other issues and won't be redirected or deflected from the no rapes claim. Again, there were rapes.

You can keep quoting what Hamas said as much as you want. You can keep deflecting onto other issues, as much as you wish; however, both men and women were raped. That day was appalling and it happened, it will not be denied or forgotten. Hence various posters challenging you. I don't know other posters and I dont post or belong to 'a group', just because people don't agree with you doesn't make us wrong.

But there weren’t only hostages, were there?
You yourself mentioned Shani Louk whose body was paraded around the streets in Gaza and several people saw it and spat on it. There were also others like her.
That’s why it doesn’t make sense to say people in Gaza assumed Hamas had only taken hostages. Plenty of them would have seen the mutilated bodies.

Yes that is true, but the report which is linked above said that there had been no evidence, so no evidence from dead bodies either. They said this would normally be investigated by forensics as a matter of course.

"should"?!

There is no implication that women lied about rape, as has been stated numerous times, and you saying that is incredibly disingenuous. I hope that MNHQ will realise that.