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SEND - children’s needs to be reassessed from year 6 2029?

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missbish · 23/02/2026 06:07

Are they taking the piss? After the struggles parents have trying to secure support for their child, they’re then going to threaten to take it away once they’re due to go to secondary? Ds goes to secondary this year so I don’t think it will effect him but I am so angry for those it does effect.

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suburburban · 25/02/2026 08:43

Lougle · 25/02/2026 08:25

"Approximately 14.1 to 14.5 million children (nearly 1 in 5) in the United States have special health care needs, defined as chronic physical, developmental, behavioral, or emotional conditions requiring extra care. These children, often referred to as having complex needs, represent about 20% of the pediatric population."

From Google

DN is autistic in USA but provision is paying for private education by his dps not any state funding

he is bright and doing well

Lougle · 25/02/2026 08:42

Playingvideogames · 25/02/2026 08:35

What would be ‘adequate provision’ in your view? Pardon me but at this stage the state has spent millions educating your DC (or trying to), you have probably received 20 or 30 times the funding and manpower hours that a typical family get, your child was offered multiple settings and has rejected them all, yet you’re ’being failed’?

Are you able to step away and see how this looks to others?

Not millions. Adequate would have been a school with SaLT and OT provision running throughout the curriculum, as stated on her EHCP, and access to sensory regulation strategies, as stated on her EHCP, with teaching pitched to her ability, as stated on her EHCP, and total communication strategies deployed, as stated on her EHCP. Mostly delivered by TAs with Teacher oversight and professional planning. In other words, school A.

Now, she'll need extensive professional input directly from professionals, 1:1 support at all times, bespoke provision and highly individualised teaching.

Playingvideogames · 25/02/2026 08:39

Avantiagain · 25/02/2026 08:37

"No other country sees this, only the UK."

Yet another ridiculous statement of yours.

No comparable country has the SEN rates we do.

Happy to be proved wrong.

Avantiagain · 25/02/2026 08:37

"No other country sees this, only the UK."

Yet another ridiculous statement of yours.

Playingvideogames · 25/02/2026 08:35

Lougle · 25/02/2026 08:28

"I suppose it boils down to expectation. I expect a reasonable effort to educate children. It sounds like whatever they did wasn’t going to be quite right. You’re her parent so of course you want something perfect and anything less will be ‘failure’."

She had the right provision in primary school. Her current presentation is a direct result of inadequate provision.

What would be ‘adequate provision’ in your view? Pardon me but at this stage the state has spent millions educating your DC (or trying to), you have probably received 20 or 30 times the funding and manpower hours that a typical family get, your child was offered multiple settings and has rejected them all, yet you’re ’being failed’?

Are you able to step away and see how this looks to others?

Fearfulsaints · 25/02/2026 08:35

Playingvideogames · 25/02/2026 07:55

I really don’t think the education system, or any education system, is set up to deal with children with needs like this tbh.

No other country sees this, only the UK.

I suppose it boils down to expectation. I expect a reasonable effort to educate children. It sounds like whatever they did wasn’t going to be quite right. You’re her parent so of course you want something perfect and anything less will be ‘failure’.

But it comes back to what I said about an objective bystander seeing things without emotion.

The system was set up to deal with it. There was school A, right at the start of the story that was a natural progression from the place she thrived.

There was a bit of a baby boom (thats now ended) but the whole school cohort expanded- there were bulge classes up and down the country but SEN schools were less able to respond to that in some cases (often ideological rather than cost related) and sen children just got redistributed to less suitable places - sometimes more expensive than the right place. There was also a reported rise in actual sen too which would have made the issue worse but that seems to be more recently than a college age child.

Lougle · 25/02/2026 08:28

Playingvideogames · 25/02/2026 07:55

I really don’t think the education system, or any education system, is set up to deal with children with needs like this tbh.

No other country sees this, only the UK.

I suppose it boils down to expectation. I expect a reasonable effort to educate children. It sounds like whatever they did wasn’t going to be quite right. You’re her parent so of course you want something perfect and anything less will be ‘failure’.

But it comes back to what I said about an objective bystander seeing things without emotion.

"I suppose it boils down to expectation. I expect a reasonable effort to educate children. It sounds like whatever they did wasn’t going to be quite right. You’re her parent so of course you want something perfect and anything less will be ‘failure’."

She had the right provision in primary school. Her current presentation is a direct result of inadequate provision.

Vicks123 · 25/02/2026 08:25

Playingvideogames · 25/02/2026 07:55

I really don’t think the education system, or any education system, is set up to deal with children with needs like this tbh.

No other country sees this, only the UK.

I suppose it boils down to expectation. I expect a reasonable effort to educate children. It sounds like whatever they did wasn’t going to be quite right. You’re her parent so of course you want something perfect and anything less will be ‘failure’.

But it comes back to what I said about an objective bystander seeing things without emotion.

What a bizarre thing to lie about, 'no other country sees this'. Here are links to schools in 10 different countries, all for children with complex needs. It literally took me 5 minutes to find them.
USA: https://www.kennedykrieger.org/schools-and-education/leap-program
Canada: https://www.parklandclass.org/programs-and-services/parkland-school
Australia: https://www.malkara.act.edu.au/
Ireland: http://www.smhbaldoyleschool.ie/
South Africa: https://www.nokuthulacentre.co.za/
New Zealand: https://www.skp.school.nz/
India: https://muskanfoundation.org.in/
Germany: https://www.icpmuenchen.de/en/instruction-and-education/educational-school-for-children-with-special-needs/
Singapore: https://www.rainbowcentre.org.sg/
Netherlands: https://www.wittevogel.nl/

Parkland School | Special Needs Children Education | Parkland CLASS

Parkland School provides education and stimulates personal growth and acceptance for special needs children in Central Alberta.

https://www.parklandclass.org/programs-and-services/parkland-school

N0m0rerain · 25/02/2026 08:25

Playingvideogames · 25/02/2026 07:55

I really don’t think the education system, or any education system, is set up to deal with children with needs like this tbh.

No other country sees this, only the UK.

I suppose it boils down to expectation. I expect a reasonable effort to educate children. It sounds like whatever they did wasn’t going to be quite right. You’re her parent so of course you want something perfect and anything less will be ‘failure’.

But it comes back to what I said about an objective bystander seeing things without emotion.

My child has complex SEN and some similarities to Lougle’s. She had dire provision from 1 school, middling from another and excellence under 1. The excellence has enabled her to thrive and excel, come off expensive services, keep out of expensive hospitals and build a future in which she contributes to society and taxes. This excellence didn’t involve an expensive package just an EHCP delivered by a proactive SENCO and staff.

Lougle · 25/02/2026 08:25

Playingvideogames · 25/02/2026 07:55

I really don’t think the education system, or any education system, is set up to deal with children with needs like this tbh.

No other country sees this, only the UK.

I suppose it boils down to expectation. I expect a reasonable effort to educate children. It sounds like whatever they did wasn’t going to be quite right. You’re her parent so of course you want something perfect and anything less will be ‘failure’.

But it comes back to what I said about an objective bystander seeing things without emotion.

"Approximately 14.1 to 14.5 million children (nearly 1 in 5) in the United States have special health care needs, defined as chronic physical, developmental, behavioral, or emotional conditions requiring extra care. These children, often referred to as having complex needs, represent about 20% of the pediatric population."

From Google

Lougle · 25/02/2026 08:18

Playingvideogames · 25/02/2026 07:55

I really don’t think the education system, or any education system, is set up to deal with children with needs like this tbh.

No other country sees this, only the UK.

I suppose it boils down to expectation. I expect a reasonable effort to educate children. It sounds like whatever they did wasn’t going to be quite right. You’re her parent so of course you want something perfect and anything less will be ‘failure’.

But it comes back to what I said about an objective bystander seeing things without emotion.

Do you realise that there are 160,000 children in special schools in England? Many will be non-verbal, using PECS cards or objects of reference to communicate. Some will be able to use symbolic PECS cards, some will be so restricted in their social imagination that the card has to show an exact replica of the object. For example, some will cope with a picture of a generic packet of crisps, whilst others will need a picture of Walkers salt and vinegar crisps. Do you realise that for some of these children 'education' will be pressing a button to make a choice, or being positioned on an Achieva bed so they can see a screen as a song is sung to them? Do you realise that for some, education is learning to sit down for 30 seconds to do something that someone else has chosen? For some, education is walking to reception with the register and not running away on the way back?

My daughter is by no means the most complicated student that will be taught in special schools.

Do you know that there are hundreds, if not thousands, of children who have been deemed so complex that education in a school setting is deemed inappropriate? Legally.

The education system just isn't what you think it is.

Fearfulsaints · 25/02/2026 08:12

I think the whole education policy now and for the foreseeable relies on well trained TAs to deliver it.

The main issue with TA pay is that it has to be paid less than a teacher as it has less accountability and training so that sets the bar below the 32k.

But also its paid term time only and often only for 25 hours a week or less. 32.5 is less common now.

Ive long said it needs to become a genuine career path with actual conditions more similar to the way teachers pay is structured.

Kirbert2 · 25/02/2026 08:10

Playingvideogames · 25/02/2026 07:55

I really don’t think the education system, or any education system, is set up to deal with children with needs like this tbh.

No other country sees this, only the UK.

I suppose it boils down to expectation. I expect a reasonable effort to educate children. It sounds like whatever they did wasn’t going to be quite right. You’re her parent so of course you want something perfect and anything less will be ‘failure’.

But it comes back to what I said about an objective bystander seeing things without emotion.

If you want to know why other pp didn't answer you seriously, this is why.

You ask questions which SEND parents usually answer in good faith and then you simply dismiss a pp's experience claiming they want a perfect education for their child and are simply just emotional and as an 'objective bystander' with some brief information on mumsnet, you clearly know better.

SleeplessInWherever · 25/02/2026 08:05

Playingvideogames · 25/02/2026 07:50

Why not just answer? Why the sarcasm?

You’ve been answered multiple times in good faith, on lots of different subjects.

You were angling towards a certain response, and a certain conversation.

Had I said “he’ll never work and will end up in supported living.”

You would have said “well then there has to be a point where education doesn’t work for children like yours because it doesn’t improve their outcomes.”

I would then argue that “that depends what you think the outcomes for children like mine should be.”

So on and so forth. That conversation has been had multiple times, same old. Frankly don’t fancy having it again!

bookworm14 · 25/02/2026 08:03

No other country sees this, only the UK.

Im sorry, are you suggesting no other country has children with complex SEN?

Playingvideogames · 25/02/2026 07:55

Lougle · 25/02/2026 07:10

She had no choices. You don't get choices when you need specialist education. You get the setting that has a space and says they can meet need.

Secondary School - I knew from the very first taster session that they'd got it wrong. She was in an LD primary school. LD schools take any children with Profound and Multiple Learning Disability, through Severe Learning Disability, to Moderate Learning Disability, Profound Autism (needing objects of reference to communicate), medically complex children.

DD1's class was described as a 'bubble' of ability. The year below and the year above had more severe needs and her year were generally slightly more able.

Her needs were well met. She had swimming every week, which acted as both physio and OT. They had an in house OT programme so staff could work through graded exercises and consult with OT if they got stuck. They had SaLT based on site, so they were given SaLT programmes that were woven into the curriculum and if they needed support they'd just check in with the SaLT, who would modify the programme. They had a sensory room which was used several times per week. They had large outdoor space so they could do regulation activities as part of their daily lessons.

She was always meant to go to secondary school A, which was also an LD school. Even in year 1 the staff were saying 'and when she goes to school A....'. Annual review came around in year 5 and we wrote school A on our parental preference slip. Then the final EHCP came and school B was named.

We phoned the LA and spoke to a very brusque woman who said that they had needed 3 pupils to go to school B because school A was full, and school A was '0.5 a mile closer, isn't it?' We tried to have an open mind and I didn't know as much about SEN legislation then as I do now. I didn't appeal. That's on me. School B was a 'moderate learning disability' school.

We went to the taster day and they had split the children into their proposed sets. I sat beside DD1 as a teacher performed a science experiment and wanted the children to write down what he was doing. All these children were writing away, and I was saying "DD1, we're writing 'alker seltzer', we need an 'a'. Do you remember how we draw an 'a'? Now we need an 'l'....'

She started and it was clear that they expected more than she could deliver. They wanted page long stories in a 45 minutes lesson. She had previously written 4 lines on a white board. The children were much more sophisticated than her. She got manipulated and was drowning. She would climb over the 6ft fence to get out of the playground in distress, but then wait on the other side because she didn't know what to do next.

There was no swimming, no OT, no physio, no SaLT. She was expected to move from classroom to classroom. It was mainstream-lite.

In COVID we had shut down. She wasn't allowed to go to school because she didn't get free school meals. Then, when they returned to school, the school adopted a strict bubbling approach and staff wore scrubs and visors, despite Government guidance saying not to. DD1 got the sense that school was a dangerous place. She had developed an eating disorder by this point, but she was seen by paeds on the same day as CAMHS called in August 2020. They were both relieved that the other was involved, so both discharged, leaving me with a dietician who shrugged and said 'I can't make her eat'. Finally, in January 202, I phoned the GP, described her physical state and said 'is that ok?' We were sent to hospital and admitted.

When she returned to school after a few months, the school said that they realised they were the wrong place for her, but that it was too late, so we needed to limp her through until the end of year 11. Again, I should have contacted the LA, but I believed them.

College 1 - I had a meeting with them and said that DD1 was an absconder, I was concerned that they were on a main road, and they must not give her an exit pass. I was assured they knew what they were doing. Long story short, they couldn't meet her needs, she ran away, they excluded her for doing so.

College 2 turned out to be a secure portacabin on the main site. One room, 13 kids, 7 adults. No break out space except a corridor. She got so distressed that they excluded her.

College 3 had better facilities but they expected too much of her and wouldn't listen to her psychologist who was telling them that they had misunderstood her capabilities. So the placement ended.

It isn't their fault. None of the placements have had the expertise to deal with DD1's complex presentation. She has a really spiky profile and she is very verbose, which hides her lack of understanding and overwhelm. She has very poor executive functioning skills, a poor sense of danger, very poor impulse control and acts 'in the moment'. You can never quite predict how she will respond to anything.

She has been failed because each setting took their money and didn't hold their hands up and say to the LA 'we're not getting this right' until they hit crisis point. Every time I would say 'this is going wrong' and they'd tell me it was fine.

You can comfort yourself with the rhetoric of 'choice', but there is very little.

I really don’t think the education system, or any education system, is set up to deal with children with needs like this tbh.

No other country sees this, only the UK.

I suppose it boils down to expectation. I expect a reasonable effort to educate children. It sounds like whatever they did wasn’t going to be quite right. You’re her parent so of course you want something perfect and anything less will be ‘failure’.

But it comes back to what I said about an objective bystander seeing things without emotion.

Lougle · 25/02/2026 07:54

Kirbert2 · 25/02/2026 07:45

I completely agree. They deserve far more than what they get.

The role has completely changed. When I was at school, the TA did paint pot washing, photocopying, listening to children read, etc. The children who needed help with reading went to the teacher. In fact, when I was at primary school, I was used as a listener in year 1-2 because I could read fluently.

The Government really need to be looking at the curriculum and reversing the Gove era. Half of the 'SEN' is just children being expected to reach standards that are beyond their stage of natural development. Half of 'behaviour' is children being expected to sit at a desk instead of moving. If we got rid of that, the true SEN would be dealt with and there would be less 'falling behind' that is actually unrealistic expectation.

Haribos22 · 25/02/2026 07:53

Avantiagain · 25/02/2026 05:49

"It’s time for £100k placements to stop and some kind of fairly basic provision to be made with an online learning package."

Oh I see you would rather pay for the 500k residential payment that will follow this.

Why should my DD only get an online package stopping 100 k packages stops it for everyone.
she is a good students who loves school why on earth should she be isolated to her house and a screen.

Playingvideogames · 25/02/2026 07:50

SleeplessInWherever · 25/02/2026 07:04

25, provided he stays in education or training.

I think I might just lock him in the shed at that point, if that works for you?

Why not just answer? Why the sarcasm?

Playingvideogames · 25/02/2026 07:49

N0m0rerain · 25/02/2026 06:51

But not to completely derail with a completely different issue. If you have beef with provision for the majority( children without SEND or ND), start another thread.

I didn’t mention the majority - I was asked about it and responded. Most of my posting has been about the white paper.

Kirbert2 · 25/02/2026 07:45

N0m0rerain · 25/02/2026 07:30

I do think the Dep of Ed is starting to take the piss with TAs, they’re on the frontline day in and day out with the most needy and difficult children.

Many are leaving because they’d get paid more cleaning loos than being a TA.

I completely agree. They deserve far more than what they get.

N0m0rerain · 25/02/2026 07:30

Kirbert2 · 25/02/2026 07:27

My son wouldn't be able to access mainstream without his 2:1 TA support. They are amazing and absolutely don't get paid nearly enough for all that they do.

I do think the Dep of Ed is starting to take the piss with TAs, they’re on the frontline day in and day out with the most needy and difficult children.

Many are leaving because they’d get paid more cleaning loos than being a TA.

Kirbert2 · 25/02/2026 07:27

N0m0rerain · 25/02/2026 07:20

Anyone else find it frustrating that we’ve had years of Tories and MNers decrying and being quite rude about TAs. Dismissing them as paint pot washers when it’s abundantly clear how crucial they are to so many government lead areas and how much responsibility many have - intensive phonics, catch up, specialised SEND interventions of which there are many, SALT, physio, high medical needs.. We’ve even got MNers who have kids with zero SEND bitching about lack of access to them.

Yet still they are on a minimum wage and receive next to no training. Many schools recruit ex teachers as TAs for good reason. It’s time TAs were paid properly and received proper respect and training.

No mention of that in these measures. 🤔

My son wouldn't be able to access mainstream without his 2:1 TA support. They are amazing and absolutely don't get paid nearly enough for all that they do.

N0m0rerain · 25/02/2026 07:20

Anyone else find it frustrating that we’ve had years of Tories and MNers decrying and being quite rude about TAs. Dismissing them as paint pot washers when it’s abundantly clear how crucial they are to so many government lead areas and how much responsibility many have - intensive phonics, catch up, specialised SEND interventions of which there are many, SALT, physio, high medical needs.. We’ve even got MNers who have kids with zero SEND bitching about lack of access to them.

Yet still they are on a minimum wage and receive next to no training. Many schools recruit ex teachers as TAs for good reason. It’s time TAs were paid properly and received proper respect and training.

No mention of that in these measures. 🤔

Avantiagain · 25/02/2026 07:17

"They’ll follow regardless."

When the child is school age? Do you want to be paying £500k a year for an 11 year olds residential placement.

Also you are expecting parents of children with severe complex needs to care for them 24 7 at home because you don't want a school place for them.

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